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Christian Hate: Three Nationally Recognized Pastors Praying for Obama's Death

By October 3, 2009

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The extremism, the violent rhetoric, and the conspiracy theories swirling around conservatives and directed at Barack Obama may reach an apex with the conservative Christian ministers who are calling for Barack Obama's death. Of course, they are only praying that God cause Barack Obama's death, but is that really any more moral or reasonable than expressing the hope that some assassin kill Obama?
As Steven Anderson told his congregation on August 16, 2009, "you have probably never heard a sermon like this before. Actually, you probably have if you have been coming to church here for a while. But you know what? Here is my sermon, why I hate Barack Obama. That's my sermon tonight, because Barack Obama is coming to town tomorrow morning." ...Anderson preached an almost identical but even more virulently hateful version of the same sermon two days before Barack Obama was inaugurated, during which Anderson appeared to veer over the line into direct incitement, declaring "somebody should abort Barack Obama." ...

Pastor Wiley Drake is a Former Vice President of the Southern Baptist Convention who also served as Alan Keyes' American Independent Party running mate in the 2008 election. Wiley Drake has long been linked with the violent wing of the antiabortion movement and prior to the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, Drake announced he was praying for Tiller's death. After Tiller's murder, during a June 2, 2009 appearance on Alan Colmes' nationally syndicated radio show, Wiley Drake declared that his prayers had been answered and then went on to inform Colmes that he was praying for president Barack Obama's death...

A third, and perhaps even more menacing anti-Obama "death prayer pastor" is Peter Peters of the LaPorte, Colorado Church of Christ. During the 1980's, members of the white supremacist militia group The Order attended Peters' church and four months after Pastor Pete Peters and his parishioner Colonel Jack Mohr appeared on Jewish talk show host Alan Berg's Denver radio show, during which the radio show host confronted Peters and Mohr about their views, Berg was machine-gunned to death. Members of The Order were later convicted of the murder. ...In Peters' January 19, 2009 sermon, broadcast over the Internet, Pete Peters concluded with a "party crashing" imprecatory prayer to call down divine destruction on Barack Obama's inaugural celebration:

Source: Talk To Action

All of this is coming from Christian leaders speaking to Christian believers and out of Christian motives. From start to finish, Christianity is an integral part of what's going on -- you can't separate Christianity from what these people believe, what they are saying, and what their political goals are. A lot of political violence in American history has come from the Right and a lot of that has been connected closely to Christianity. Most of the violent rhetoric being made against Obama today is connected to racism, connected to Christianity, or both. Given how often Christians tie Muslim violence to Islam, how will they appreciate Christian violence being tied to Christianity?

Comments
October 3, 2009 at 2:05 pm
(1) Gerald says:

I’ve heard the claims before: that these individuals represent merely the extremist fringe of christianity and don’t speak for the mainstream. Yet their beliefs are no less rational or biblically defensible that those of the more “mainstream” fundamentalist churches. That they continue to receive government support through tax exemptions while at the same time supporting violence and threats against citizens and public officials says a great deal about our country’s ability to tolerate even the most inflammatory rhetoric under the First Amendment.

October 3, 2009 at 3:54 pm
(2) Don Spencer says:

As a Christian, I am apalled at the actions of these so called “Christians” who are Christians in name only…. I supported, campaigned, and voted for Barack Obama. The Holy and Inspired word of God tells us that we are to love our enemies, help our fellow man, and most importantly Pray for our rulers.. i.e The President, the Congress, etc… Not against them. That we are to be apart of society, and be examples of how people are supposed to live and behave. These men and anyone else who claim to be a Christian that would spread this venom and hatred will be suprised when Judgement Day arrives, because their behavior will send them to Hell to be in the company of the worst amoung us for eternity. GOD is neither Republican or Democrat, and is not to be used as a political ping pong ball! GOD Bless Barack Obama, and GOD Bless the United States of America!!!!!!!

October 3, 2009 at 6:11 pm
(3) Seth351 says:

@ Don: Your liberal views and opposition to violence are commendable. But then there’s this:

These men and anyone else who claim to be a Christian that would spread this venom and hatred will be suprised when Judgement Day arrives, because their behavior will send them to Hell to be in the company of the worst amoung us for eternity.

See the irony?

August 4, 2011 at 8:44 am
(4) carlhere says:

It is your belief in revenge and hell that is at the root of this kind of hate. Christianity is based in hate-mongering. Just read the rantings of Jesus in Matthew 23 and the horrendous acts of violence by the god of the Bible. Christians are only mimicking their gods. If you remain a Christian at any level, you are part of this vile religion as a whole.

October 3, 2009 at 10:32 pm
(5) Eric (4tunate1) says:

I don’t see any moral difference between praying to God to kill someone and paying a hitman to do the same thing, if the person truly believes that God answers prayers. What makes it even worse is that the “prayer” is made publicly to a congregation. Practically speaking it is identical with making the plea to those in attendance.

October 4, 2009 at 12:18 pm
(6) KenM says:

Another great example that morality couldn’t possibly come from any Christian god. The so-called leaders of Christian churches demonstrate this on a regular basis.

These pastors obviously embrace the bloody savagery of the old testament! That’s God’s love for you!

October 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm
(7) Joseph says:

Hmm, on what grounds would it fall under for the Secret Service to arrest those men? I know matters of faith are not bound by law, but what kind of precedent would it set to convict someone like that for instigating violence? After all, if they sincerely believe that what they’re calling out to does exist, and it would act upon those wishes, then there is indeed no bloody difference between asking for god to kill the President than asking some person.

Anyone know where I can contact the proper authorities to ask this question?

October 4, 2009 at 3:13 pm
(8) Joseph says:

I guess I found something.

http://www.secretservice.gov/contact_usss.shtml

Here is what I submitted.

Regarding death threats against elected officials: the law states that openly saying that “someone should kill (public servant)” is very much a crime. And specifically asking someone to kill, say, the President, would be conspiracy to commit treason.

That brings me to this.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2009/9/2/12392/06622

How is asking for a god to kill the President any different than asking a hitman to do it? The actual existence of gods is irrelevant, what matters is the sincerity of the person making the statement.

I know the separations clause prevents law from interfering in matters of faith, as some states allow neglectful parents to let their children die of preventable diseases because they opted for “faith healing”.

However, despite the fact that pastors, preachers, and anyone with a Bible can claim to be talking to their god, it doesn’t take much for one delusional zealot to hear those words and think they’ve been put up to the task of fulfilling some divine retribution.

I’m sure you guys have enough problems to deal with without bigoted pastors riling up their congregations with death threats, be they Earthly or Heavenly.

If this was not the appropriate forum to address this, I apologize.

October 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm
(9) Seth351 says:

@ Joseph:

October 4, 2009 at 8:55 pm
(10) Seth351 says:

Oops, my HTML didn’t work.

http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml

Looks like you found it anyway.

October 5, 2009 at 2:35 pm
(11) tracieh says:

OK, so here’s a question. If you ask most Christians why they go to work or go to a hospital if they brake a leg (rather than just pray for god to look after them or take care of them), you generally get this sort of perspective that god helps those who help themselves (which to me is no different saying there is no god, but…).

But here we have people praying for Obama’s death. And where I live they have a prayer vigil in front of an women’s clinic that provides abortion services. It _seems_ these people are just going to pray and not “help themselves”…? I mean I don’t see them trying to stop anyone from entering the clinic, and I don’t see these preachers loading up a shot gun. So, I assume the plan here is just to keep praying and hope god does it for them?

Do they follow this philosophy elsewhere in their lives? If they brake a leg–do they believe action is required (call 9-1-1), or do they just lay on the roadside and pray and refuse medical care? Do they just pray that their kids will learn to read or do they try and teach them? Do they just pray that food will show up in their house–or do they shop and work and make efforts to feed themselves?

I guess I wonder how they draw that line between what god is responsible for and what they are responsible for? When do you say, “God helps me if I help myself…” versus “god will help me even if I sit on my a** and do nothing…”?

What’s the criteria–how do you figure that out from situation to situation? Is there a checklist or something?

October 6, 2009 at 7:52 pm
(12) Der says:

I’m shocked, appalled and depressed that this silly little charlaton, this empty excuse for a human being called a pastor can get away with saying this. ( Maybe it’s because i’m not from the states that im so shocked, is this normal in the U.S? )
Why isn’t something done about this? New laws should be concieved, legislated and ACTED upon when this happens. Religion cannot be exempt from making what was in essence a death threat. It cannot be given any special privilege.

October 7, 2009 at 5:41 pm
(13) Price says:

Why is it that people who are Non-believers are also Liberals (or at least Democrats)? When Bush was President, plenty of comedians, rappers, etc. called for his death. I heard no outcry from people such as yourselves. I am a staunch non-believer in the supernatural. I don’t believe in ghost (holy or any other kind), gods, etc. I do, however, believe in personal responsibility. These preachers should be held accountable because what they are doing is not in the spirit of what Christianity is about these days. You people need to take a look at yourselves and decide if you want to be the hypocrites you seem to be. It is sad really, you people seem no different from the religious, right-wing people you find so despicable.

October 7, 2009 at 5:59 pm
(14) Austin Cline says:

Why is it that people who are Non-believers are also Liberals (or at least Democrats)?

There is a strong correlation here because of the strong correlation between religion and conservative views in culture, politics, etc. Religion tends to be “behind the times” on most social issues. So anyone who starts out religious and does enough questioning and critical thinking to reject religion will also, on average, do more questioning and critical thinking with respect to all the socially, culturally, economically, and politically conservative views which their religion has tended to support.

When Bush was President, plenty of comedians, rappers, etc. called for his death. I heard no outcry from people such as yourselves.

Probably because we didn’t hear of all these calls for death. Citations, please?

These preachers should be held accountable because what they are doing is not in the spirit of what Christianity is about these days.

Since when? The “spirit of Christianity” is whatever Christians tend to do, isn’t it?

You people need to take a look at yourselves and decide if you want to be the hypocrites you seem to be.

Feel free to support your accusation, if you can.

It is sad really, you people seem no different from the religious, right-wing people you find so despicable.

Once again, feel free to offer some sort of support for your claims. Surely you can do better than making random, baseless assertions, right?

October 7, 2009 at 8:05 pm
(15) fauxrs says:

What’s the criteria–how do you figure that out from situation to situation? Is there a checklist or something?

I suspect it is as simple as cowardice, they pray to god to do those things they have not the stomach to do for themselves, in the case of destroying the hated nobama they dont have the balls to DO what they say should be done, so they pray to dog.

The abortion clinics? they want them closed and the doctors destroyed, but they dont have the courage to stand up for their beliefs so they cower behind their almighty.

They dont want to be held accountable either, its pretty hard to be prosecuted for praying, so they hope their almighty will do the dirty work they want done they wont have to face consequences in the real world, consequences they know are real.

I think its simple cowardice.

October 9, 2009 at 4:35 pm
(16) goddamnathiest says:

What I am worried about is that some nut will listen to someone likes these preachers or some talking head on TV or radio, and actually try to kill or kill Obama.
If that should happen, that he be killed, that will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
I can see quit protests and protest that will turn violent.
But, sadly, that’s what might just be needed to quell these extremest groups be they politically motivated or religiously motivated.
Under Clinton, the Pro Life groups were being investigated under R.I.C.O.
When Bush came into office these investigations stopped. Like how they stopped against Microsoft. Microsoft dontated big time to the Bush campaign.
But what Microsoft didn’t expect was that in Europe their political pull and money didn’t sway the governments. They hit Microsoft with huge fines.
I do hope Obama does not get killed, but if he does, I would and will join in the protests.

October 9, 2009 at 10:45 pm
(17) Coliryo@comcast.net says:

Austin says

You need to look up the word ‘correlation’. The British and American abolitionists were Christians, slavery would have gone another fifty years without them. Look up ‘behind the times’ too. Nobody took care of lepers and untouchables in India before Catholic nuns started doing it.

October 10, 2009 at 7:40 am
(18) Austin Cline says:

You need to look up the word ‘correlation’.  

I know exactly what it means. If you think I’ve used it wrong, then prove it.

The British and American abolitionists were Christians, slavery would have gone another fifty years without them.  

Slavery ended sooner and without a civil war in Britain because of the massive Christian support for it in America.

 Look up ‘behind the times’ too.  

Once again, I know exactly what it means. If you disagree with what I wrote, why don’t you demonstrate how religion in American today is not the primary justification and motivation behind regressive politics.

Nobody took care of lepers and untouchables in India before Catholic nuns started doing it.

You do know, don’t you, that “untouchables” is a religious category. Citing religious discrimination as a reason why religion does not tend to be “behind the times” is hardly a compelling argument.

Indeed, you offer absolutely no counter-arguments whatsoever. If you yourself comprehended what “correlation” and “tends to be behind the time” meant, you would know that isolated examples of religion not being quite as oppressive, brutal, and discriminatory cannot rebut my position.

October 10, 2009 at 10:57 am
(19) elaine K says:

I am just at a loss of how many people are so cruel and vintictive. The bible is so wicked and yet love is suposed to be around us. Over many years people have been introctrinated to believe in evil. Evil is wrong whoever you are.
Just read Mark Twains ‘Letters from Earth’ showing how wicked priests and Nuns have been.
I am sure that in the UK I would be arrested if I said I wanted the Queen dead. What are the laws in the US.How can these men just call themselves Pastors and get away with anything.
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October 18, 2009 at 5:48 pm
(20) Robert Edwards says:

Austin, your retort’s are excellent. It has always been a tool of extremist’s to insight their followers to do their dirty work and with pastor’s there is no difference. Christians complain that moderate Muslims do not protest against their religious extremist’s yet I don’t see any protest’s by moderate Christians demonstrating against this kind of insightful rhetoric. Perhaps if Christians would come-out and demand the closure of establishment that insight violence and threats against anyone. It’s time the the Lion to wake.

October 24, 2009 at 12:05 pm
(21) Ken says:

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 1 John 4:8
If someone says “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar. 1 John 4:20

October 30, 2009 at 11:48 pm
(22) Brian says:

Don’t ya just get a kick out of Austin using three examples of misguded Christians leaders to draw sweeping generalizations as if his argument has any veracity at all. But here are some actual facts to consider:

- More than 93 percent of all the wars in human history had no relation to religion, meaning they were either political or based on atheistic beliefs.
- Democratic liberals, many of who are atheists, are resposnible for more political violence and unrest in the US over past 50 years than any other group, protesting violently the rights of others, exploding bombs in airports and federal buildings, rioting in places like Chicago.
- Atheists are 3.84 times more likely to be imprisoned than Christians
- In the twentieth century, atheistic regimes killed three times more people than those killed in all the wars and individual crimes combine
- In fact, Atheist based genocide is responsible for approximately 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

Of course, Austin, will undoubtedly defend all this atheistic killing as political, but what kind of politics would allow for such killing? Only that which has no basis in God and devalues human life. Is it any wonder that people like Austin go to the above effort to coverup the gross flaws of his belief system. And, make no mistake about it, if atheists had control of the political system in this country, there will be a killing of people at the same level as has happened under Godless regimes before.

As for the pastors who prayed for deaths of Mr. Obama, such behavior is inexcusable, however, here again such inexcusable behavior has been seen before, from the political left in this country aimed most recently at Mr. Bush, and at much a greater level as shown by this article:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

But we need not be surprised by this when atheist philosophy is one of wanton death to those they disagree with, as proven by the historical record.

So, Austin, wise up. God still love you.

October 31, 2009 at 8:05 am
(23) Austin Cline says:

Don’t ya just get a kick out of Austin using three examples of misguded Christians leaders to draw sweeping generalizations

I don’t make any generalizations about Christians, so you’re a liar.

- More than 93 percent of all the wars in human history had no relation to religion, meaning they were either political or based on atheistic beliefs.

Prove it.

- Democratic liberals, many of who are atheists, are resposnible for more political violence and unrest in the US over past 50 years than any other group

Prove it.

- Atheists are 3.84 times more likely to be imprisoned than Christians

Prove it.

- In the twentieth century, atheistic regimes killed three times more people than those killed in all the wars and individual crimes combine

Prove it.

- In fact, Atheist based genocide is responsible for approximately 100 million deaths in the 20th century.

Prove it.

what kind of politics would allow for such killing? Only that which has no basis in God and devalues human life.

Prove it.

Is it any wonder that people like Austin go to the above effort to coverup the gross flaws of his belief system. And, make no mistake about it, if atheists had control of the political system in this country, there will be a killing of people at the same level as has happened under Godless regimes before.

Prove it.

As for the pastors who prayed for deaths of Mr. Obama, such behavior is inexcusable,

Why? You certainly have no compunction about holding and expressing similar levels of hate-mongering.

So, Austin, wise up. God still love you.

The “love” attributed to a god promoted by hate-mongers is not a love I’d ever trust or desire.

October 31, 2009 at 2:46 pm
(24) Brian says:

Austin, you can do your own research, and when you can prove your gross generalizations with respect to Christianity, then perhaps I will give you the citiations, which would be all too easy to do. Grow a clue, dude.

October 31, 2009 at 2:56 pm
(25) Austin Cline says:

Austin, you can do your own research,

I have no intention of trying to research the truth of random assertions made by an unknown person. There’s no point and it’s a waste of time.

If you care about being believed and want to be taken seriously, you should support your claims. Indeed, if your claims were credible at all, you’d have the support already at hand.

and when you can prove your gross generalizations with respect to Christianity,

I’ve not made any generalizations here about Christianity, gross or otherwise. That’s the second time you’ve lied — and what’s worse, you couldn’t even be bothered to come up with a new lie the second time. You just recycled the first one as if you hadn’t already been caught. If there’s anything worse than a liar it’s a lazy liar.

then perhaps I will give you the citiations,

Perfect. Since you know I haven’t made any generalizations about Christianity, you know there is nothing for me to prove, thus effectively eliminating any requirement for you to ever support your claims.

which would be all too easy to do.

Not easy enough, otherwise you’d have done so.

Grow a clue, dude.

Post claims and accusations without support for either is a violation of basic standards for both ethics and intellect. The fact that you either don’t know this or just don’t care leads me to conclude that the only one missing a clue around here is you.

October 31, 2009 at 2:56 pm
(26) Brian says:

Austin says: I don’t make any generalizations about Christians, so you’re a liar.

Okey Dokey, maybe just go read your silly conclusion in your article, Austin and then go to Dictionary.com and look up the word “generalization.” Your level of generalizations about Christianity clearly demonstrate an unhealthy level of bias, or should we just call it what it is – hate.

October 31, 2009 at 3:03 pm
(27) Brian says:

Austin says: Post claims and accusations without support for either is a violation of basic standards for both ethics and intellect

So then why do you repeatedly do it?

If your were intellectually honest you would never make such gross generalizations about Christianity as your conclusion makes. But alas, your not.

October 31, 2009 at 4:17 pm
(28) Austin Cline says:

Okey Dokey, maybe just go read your silly conclusion in your article

I know what the conclusion of my article says and, knowing this, I also know that it doesn’t make any generalizations about Christianity. I do not, in fact, even make any claims about Christianity itself. I only make statements about how the actions and ideas of the people involved are connected to Christianity.

It’s impossible to make any sort of generalization about Christianity without first making a claim about the nature of Christianity. Since I obviously don’t do this, you know that I haven’t made any generalizations.

and then go to Dictionary.com and look up the word “generalization.”

Yes, let’s do that:

a proposition asserting something to be true either of all members of a certain class or of an indefinite part of that class.

It’s clear to anyone who comprehends English that the final paragraph of my article makes no claims about anything being true about Christianity generally or Christians generally.

Stating that Christianity is integral to what someone is saying is not a statement that something is true about Christianity generally. Stating that a lot of violence has been connected to Christianity is not a statement about Christianity generally. The reason why this is so is because Christianity encompasses such a diverse set of traditions and practices that it’s easy to say lots of behaviors or attitudes are closely connected to Christianity without also making a generalization about Christianity.

Christianity was integral to the beliefs and politics of slave owners, secessionists, and racists in the American south — and pointing this out isn’t a generalization about Christianity. Christianity was integral to the beliefs and behaviors of most abolitionists — and pointing this out isn’t a generalization about Christianity. Christianity was integral to the activities of the Inquisition and the Crusaders — and pointing this out isn’t a generalization about Christianity. Christianity is integral to the beliefs of pacifist and peace churches — and pointing this out isn’t a generalization about Christianity.

Your level of generalizations about Christianity clearly demonstrate an unhealthy level of bias, or should we just call it what it is – hate.

If a complete absence of generalizations is enough to qualify for “hate,” then your reasoning skills have been damaged beyond repair.

Then again, I suppose that was clear from the moment you decided to ignore your ethical and intellectual obligations to support the claims and accusations you made — claims and accusations you can’t support because they are as truthful as your assertion that I made any sort of generalization about Christianity. Everything you’ve posted has not only been a lie, but an obvious lie as well. Lying about others in this fashion is hate-mongering and since you’ve had ample opportunity to retract or support your claims, further comments of yours will have to be deleted. You’re no better than an anti-Semite posting on a Jewish site or a racist posting on an African-American site.

October 31, 2009 at 10:06 pm
(29) Austin Cline says:

As expected, Brian is continuing to try to post, even after being told his comments would be deleted. He seems to think that he can get away with lying about me by changing my statement about Christianity being integral to what certain people are doing into saying that what they are doing is integral to Christianity.

He must not think very highly of readers here to imagine that the would believe this, but his hate-mongering about atheists would be consistent with that. Such dishonesty would also seem to be consistent with how some Christians behave when they stumble across an atheism site. I frankly can’t remember the last time I encountered an intellectually or ethically honest Christian when it came to any sort of discussion involving atheism.

October 31, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(30) Shine says:

Austin, you can do your own research

Complete fail, Brian. You made the list of assertions; therefore, burden of proof is on you. It is not your reader’s responsibility to conduct research that proves or disproves your statements. Isn’t that common sense?

On the plus side, at least this comedy gold is entertaining me while I am stuck at home writing a research paper on Halloween night.

November 6, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(31) MrMarkAZ says:

Brian @ #21:

In other news that’s bound to shock everyone, 85% of all Christian apologists cite random statistics without listing their sources or adequately explaining the research methodology used to derive their numbers than atheists. The remaining 15% don’t bother with numbers because they are the tool of the devil.

November 6, 2009 at 4:49 pm
(32) Marc says:

@30 – Spot on Mark!! Do you think there’s a source they all go to for ‘random, unsubstantiated xian apologist statements’? If so, I’d love to find it, could be hours of entertainment! :-) Or maybe…maybe they just teach that if you state something with adequate voracity it becomes self-substantiating?

November 6, 2009 at 7:18 pm
(33) John Hanks says:

Why are Christians so devoid of intellectual honesty?

November 7, 2009 at 5:36 am
(34) Peter-W says:

REAL Christians wouldn’t do xxxxxxx

This is an example of the “No true Scotsman” fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Redefining to fit the facts that the observer is not comfortable with. Note this does have some exceptions, for example, “No true Christian does not follow Christ.” This is true because it is part of the precise definition of Christian.

November 7, 2009 at 11:44 am
(35) Zayla says:

brian was obviously pulling percentages, numbers and statistics right out of his a**.

as we speak, fox news if offering him a job they are so impressed with his ability to make stuff up.

within the next two weeks, look for him somewhere in-between glenn “i forgot my meds” beck and sean “if i have enough flags it must be true” hannity.

November 7, 2009 at 1:38 pm
(36) Weemaryanne says:

@ Marc #31:

Of course they have a source for their statistics. It’s easy to just reach ’round and pull ‘em outta their fundaments.

November 8, 2009 at 10:59 am
(37) Som Sharma says:

What was the purpose for which the intelligent Designer created life? Was it for some sort of fun game so he could create life and then kill it like in a video game? Every moment life organisms are born in huge numbers, only to die after a while. It is like bubbles forming and bursting. Some philosophers have likened god to a peevish brat who crafts toys with his hand and then kicks and breaks them.

In my country, India, nearly four hundred thousand children that are born, die within an hour after birth. Many thousand more do not last for more than a month. Why are they created? Humans breed life-stock only to slaughter and eat later. More than 60 million quadrupeds are slaughtered every year. Millions of lovely, innocent chickens are cut every day. Life preys upon life all the time in the wild. Just because humans managed to dominate over other species in the last few thousand years, they think all other life forms were created for their benefit. To justify their sins, a convenient overall super authority called god has been created.

Even in my seventies, I find it hard to sing praises of a sadist god. I just cry when I see an animal being slaughtered.

November 12, 2009 at 3:15 pm
(38) jessica says:

Christ tells us that all in Christ are equal- black, white, Jew, Gentile, there is no difference. We are also told to pray for our leaders, for wisdom and for direction, not for death, especially for leaders who may not intend their actions or plans to be destructive to our nation. To say that this hatred for the president is somehow central to what the Bible believes is not true because Jesus Himself in the New Testament condemned the hatred that dominated the lives of the Pharisees and Sadducees- which led them to try to kill Jesus in order to remove His influence. We are not called to hate people- only the evil that is in some people, we are called to pray for people, not to be killed, but to come to the knowledge of God’s redemptive power. There will always be people like this in Christianity, but they are not true Christian believers- they are vengeful hypocrites that are blind and have vain religion.

November 13, 2009 at 7:52 pm
(39) Zayla says:

jessica,

you don’t need to believe in god, jesus or read the bible to understand or believe in most of what you wrote.

you simply need to be a good, decent human being, with a solid sense of ethics, morals and values which god, the bible and religion is NOT central to.

December 23, 2009 at 6:09 pm
(40) jojo says:

A true Christian wouldn’t pray for someone’s death. God’s Word tells us to pray for our leaders. Give everything to God to take care of and love everyone. A true Christian has love for their fellow man and does not wish harm on anyone. There are those, sadly, that call themselves Christians that are far from being Christians. Too bad all the good and bad get thrown into one big pot by the world. So the world sees Christians as haters. True Christians are not haters. They are lovers.

January 25, 2011 at 4:02 am
(41) Anthony says:

Jesus said “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful”

Nobody is perfect only Jesus Christ is perfect and we need to show mercy and grace because we have been shown mercy and grace.

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