Comment of the Week: Richard Dawkins & Fundamentalist Atheism
Demonising is a common debating tactic. "Angry", "vitriol", "fundamentalist", etc are all just demonising terms. When people use them, in any debate, they need to be confronted and corrected. This is not "fundamentalist" or "angry", it is being precise, clear, and fair. ...
There is nothing close-minded about being decisive in your opinions. The more one studies religions and their gods, particularly across the period of human pre-history covered by anthropology, the more obvious it becomes that all religion is fictional. The atheism that is common among the brightest and most educated people is both decisive and well-informed, and clearly not "fundamental" at all.
What makes a person fundamentalist is how they came to their opinions. Were they the product of indoctination and obedience to authority? Or were they the product of comparative study, skepticism, open enquiry? Which came first - the opinion, or the evidence to support it?
I, like most atheists, am awaiting evidence of the "vitriol" of Richard Dawkins. Why is vitriol required to politely object to dogma that inspires people to violence, including murder? What does atheist "fundamentalism" consist of beyond well-written and irrefutable critical commentary?
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Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that there is vitriol and anger coming from atheists who are militant and fundamentalist, it can't be denied that the equal and worse can be found among religious theists who have stronger numbers, more followers, and more influence than any atheists. So, if there is a problem with some atheists, there is a much worse problem with many more theists. It may not be the case that this problem is being ignored, but the attention being paid to a few prominent atheists is completely out of proportion to whatever sort of problem they are.
So, even if we are as generous as possible and concede most to all of what religious theists complain about, those same theists are still faced with the fact that they are complaining about a problem which is very minor at best while ignoring a much larger problem sitting next to them on their side of the table. Why focus so much on a very small number of atheists rather than the larger numbers of much more powerful and influential religious theists?
The simplest answer may also be the strongest: sheer bigotry. This looks suspiciously like a white person focusing on crime among blacks in order to generalize about how blacks are criminals while ignoring rates of crime among whites in similar socioeconomic positions. Theists aren't being serious as critics when they focus so much time and attention on what, under the best of circumstances, is at most a minor problem for them or society generally.


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This is yet another pointless talking point made by theists. Criticizing the passion of atheists has little to do with the argument at hand. And the very things atheists are passionate for, such as freedom from religion, free speech and expression, the separation of church and state, and the rational pursuit of Truth, are, in fact, trying to protect the rights of those individual theists.
Theists are fundamentalist in the sense that nothing will change their mind. But if you show an atheist actual evidence that God exists, we will change our minds: and this is the antithesis of dogmatism and fundamentalism.
Theists think that calling atheist angry is a counterargument, when in fact it’s nothing more than namecalling.
The day I have an atheist knocking at my door (as per a Jehovah’s Witness) is the day I will have met a passionate atheist.
If there is a fundamentalist atheism it is based on the fact that religious oceanic sensations can be created by stimulating the right temporal lobe of the brain. The rest comes from having an active comparing and contrasting crap detector which magically sees through religious rackets.
Looks like DaveF beat me to it, but I also think it’s important to realize that ad hominems are the best many of the theists feel they have to counter the huge factual advantage enjoyed by the non-believer side. The reason the many (theists) feel so put upon by the comparatively few (atheists) is that the many perceive the few to be so much better armed (with facts and sound argument). And, the stakes are immeasurably high.
Whether Christians over-reacting to that paragon of atheistic anger, Richard Dawkins (surely I jest!), or Muslims over-reacting to some cartoons, I think the emotional substrate is pretty much the same: it’s the feeling that “you’re attacking something that is very very very important to my sense of well-being and I’m pretty sure I can’t defend it in a fair fight so I’ll trash your character—or your embassy—instead!”
tony (commenter):
I was a Jehovah’s Witness for approx 26 years of my life. I could probably count on 2 hands the amount of Jehovah’s Witnesses who were actually passionate. You were looked down on as “bad association” if you couldn’t spend at least 10 hours per month proselytizing. And as you spent more, you were accorded more and more respect. But mainly, not passionate.