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David Carlin: Countering Feisty, Uppity Atheists

By , About.com GuideApril 6, 2008

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What is it about so-called "new" atheists that upsets so many religious apologists? Accusations about being militant and intolerant are tossed around easily, but there's no justification for them — at least no justification that would not apply equally well, if not more so, to traditional religion. It's hard to escape the conclusion that the "sin" of atheists today is that they have the temerity to speak out openly, publicly, and unapologetically. Occasionally, religious apologists are willing to admit just that.

Zeno Ferox quotes David Carlin of the Community College of Rhode Island who published an article in the June 2007 Homiletic & Pastoral Review:

The sociologically interesting thing about these anti-Christian, pro-atheism best-sellers is that they violate what has been, for most of the 20th century, an unwritten rule of American cultural good manners, namely, that you are not supposed to attack the religious beliefs of a fellow American in a public and conspicuous way....

It followed from this rule of good manners that atheists and agnostics were not allowed to attack theism in general or Christianity in particular. There was of course no law against such attacks, but for an unbeliever to attack Christianity was regarded as a great breach of courtesy.

So, atheists are accused of being disrespectful, intolerant, militant, and fundamentalists because they dare to criticize religion and theism. They aren't "new" because of any new arguments or new positions, but because they aren't willing to be silent and submissive in the face of religious — and particularly Christian — hegemony. What about the fact that the same rules of "courtesy" never applied to religious believers? David Carlin even admits that:

One notable and rather inconsistent feature of this speak-no-evil taboo was that it did not require reciprocity between theists and atheists. Atheists were expected to abstain from criticizing religion, yes, but religious believers were not expected to abstain from criticizing atheism. During the first decade or so of the Cold War, it was the most normal thing in the world for those defending the American way of life to denounce Communism as being “atheistic” or “godless.”

The implication here, of course, was that atheism is a very bad thing. And if Communism, a bad thing, was made even worse by being atheistic, then non-communist American atheists, while not perhaps as bad as their “red” cousins, must be pretty bad. Another way of putting this is to say that during the middle years of the 20th century atheists were excluded from the theistic consensus—the Judeo-Christian consensus—that dominated American cultural life. Just as African-Americans were “second-class citizens” by virtue of belonging to the “wrong” race, so atheists were second-class citizens by virtue of having wrong views on religion.

It's rare indeed to find a religious apologist admit that atheists have traditionally been "second-class citizens" and thus that religious believers benefited from unjust privileges. Usually it's atheists themselves who draw analogies to the treatment of blacks because of their race while religious apologists deny that there is any legitimate comparison whatsoever. Before you start imagining that David Carlin is actually sympathetic to atheist critiques of religion (and some indeed are), he instead seems to approve of atheists' prior situation:

Although it is too early to be sure (only time will tell), my strong suspicion is that the atheistic sellers I mentioned at the beginning of this essay mark a new stage in the history of American atheism and anti-Christianity. The atheists of America are “coming out of the closet.” They are passing from a stage of practical atheism (which is where they have been ever since the beginning of the sexual revolution) to a stage of practical-plus-theoretical atheism. That is to say, practical atheism will continue (in the form of sexual liberty, abortion, same-sex marriage, and perhaps polygamy and euthanasia) but will be supplemented by theoretical defenses of atheism and attacks upon Christianity.

If I am correct about this development, it presents both a danger and an opportunity to American Catholicism. It is obviously a danger, since it will permit pro-atheism propagandists to seduce Catholics, especially young Catholics, from the faith. Many of the bestseller attacks on Christianity, it is true, are nothing but warmed-over versions of the criticisms made in the l8th century by the likes of Voltaire and Tom Paine or of the 19th century criticisms made by “agnostics” who wielded anti-Christianity weapons manufactured out of the Darwinian theory of evolution or the German higher criticism of the Bible. Philosophically and theologically sophisticated Catholics have long since concluded that these old attacks, while superficially clever, miss the mark and leave the faith undamaged. But the typical young Catholic is not philosophically or theologically sophisticated; indeed the typical young Catholic of today is not even well informed about the contents of his/her religion.

To be fair, I can't read the entire original article so I can't be sure of what, exactly, David Carlin is trying to say. Maybe he doesn't think more highly of how atheists were expected to behave submissively before, but Zeno reads it that way and he has read the entire article. According to Zeno:

His analogy between the plights of nonbelievers and African-Americans is a red herring. He's not going to go anywhere with it. Certainly he is not going to argue that atheists should be accommodated as people with equal standing in the polity (although I presume he does extend that equality to racial minorities). No. He deeply regrets it. Rather, he is sounding the trumpet for a vigorous counterattack. He views with alarm the growth of secularism in a once “Christian nation.” Even worse, the enemy has seized the high ground and people no longer believe in a uniquely Christian America (or, more grudgingly, a Judeo-Christian America). ...

You see, atheists are anti-Christian. Christians must therefore fight them rather than try to live in neutral accommodation with them. Christians are losing the battle. The rising tide of unbelief has crested in a deluge of open secularism. ...Today's young people are too unsophisticated to resist the blandishments of secular logic and science. You have to be equipped properly if you are to fight the lure of rational thinking.

Carlin looks back nostalgically at life the way it used to be in the Catholic “ghetto,” where parochial schools protected young people from the baneful influence of liberal education in public institutions. Immersion used to be rather effective, entangling people in a web of thought that often manifested itself throughout the decades.

If this is a fair reading of David Carlin's article, then he is analogous to a person admitting that blacks were once second-class citizens who suffered bigotry and discrimination... and boy weren't those the good old days! It was better when whites were privileged and blacks knew their places, but today uppity blacks expect to be treated as equals so whites have to work harder to demonstrate that they are the superior race. If this is what Christian apologists have to offer, that's pretty sad.

Comments
April 6, 2008 at 1:40 pm
(1) Tom says:

Philosophically and theologically sophisticated Catholics have long since concluded that these old attacks, while superficially clever, miss the mark and leave the faith undamaged.

If I’m not mistaken, to be a philosophically and theologically sophisticated Catholic is to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and chant la-la-la-I-can’t-hear-you while a criticism of religion is being made.

April 6, 2008 at 1:48 pm
(2) Kyle S says:

A ‘philosophically sophisticated’ argument doesn’t make it true. It just makes the BS more lofty sounding.

April 6, 2008 at 2:13 pm
(3) Joe Pusey says:

“If I’m not mistaken, to be a philosophically and theologically sophisticated Catholic is to stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and chant la-la-la-I-can’t-hear-you while a criticism of religion is being made.”

I agree Tom. Sometimes it’s better to trust in Christ. Only he can lead you to true salvation. I’m not sure I understand all these sophisticated attacks on Christianity. However, I do know that I need to trust the lord in my daily decisions because I can always count on Him to see me through ever situation.

April 6, 2008 at 2:27 pm
(4) Colin says:

Mr Pusey. You trust the Lord in your daily decisions, because you can count on him to see you through every situation? You obviously know that George Bush is a deeply committed Christian. Do you agree with every single decision he has made in office?
Probably not. If not, then you must concede that the mistakes were NOT prevented by the Lord. After all, surely God would be particularly ready to guide someone in such a powerful position.

April 6, 2008 at 3:28 pm
(5) Tom says:

Congradulations, Joe! You’re philosophically and theologically sophisticated Christian and you didn’t even know it!

April 6, 2008 at 5:19 pm
(6) Bachalon says:

I don’t even know how to begin responding to this.

April 6, 2008 at 6:55 pm
(7) rastabow says:

May be this guy longs for the day when atheists knew their place. I think the more pressing concern for him is that there is an audience for atheists who criticize religion. If nobody was listening, would he care?

April 7, 2008 at 12:10 pm
(8) Tom says:

David Carlin” …practical atheism will continue (in the form of sexual liberty, abortion, same-sex marriage, and perhaps polygamy and euthanasia)…

I’m surprised he didn’t add murder, rape, pillaging, & beastiality, ’cause, you know, without God to set the rules, yadda, yadda.

April 7, 2008 at 2:03 pm
(9) tracieh says:

I actually read an article this morning from a link posted to another list. The writer called Darwin fish on car bumpers “intolerant.” He equated it with personal attack and said it was the same as putting a Star of David on your car with the word “usury” in the center.

I’m stunned at the level of ridiculous reach people will go to to try and defend their right to be offended by someone not agreeing with them. The Darwin fish is not a cross with the word “idiot” written across it. It’s a symbol that says “I don’t accept creationism, I accept evolution.” And it’s no more offensive than the original Jesus fish should be to an atheist (which is no more than you want it to be).

April 7, 2008 at 9:20 pm
(10) rastabow says:

Tom at #8.

Don’t forget global warming, 9-11, and the chuch sex abuse scandal.

The thing is while I find myself favorably disposed toward sexual liberty, the right to choose to have an abortion, the extension of full civil rights to all citizens, and the right to exert choice in how one’s life ends, being an atheist has no direct bearing on any of them.

April 11, 2008 at 2:49 pm
(11) John Hanks says:

Most primitive religionists stop developing intellectually and emotionally at 14. It is developmentally true. They are doomed to be suggestible and frightened blockheads for the rest of their lives. Even their religion remains stagnant. In a way, the main battle in life is between the blockheads, who think they know everything the need to know, and those who have moved on.

April 12, 2008 at 12:30 pm
(12) George says:

From the Maryland Act of Toleration, September 21, 1649;

Forasmuch as in a well governed and Christian Common Wealth matters concerning Religion and the honor of God ought in the first place to bee taken, into serious consideracion and endeavoured to bee settled, Be it therefore ordered and enacted by the Right Honourable Cecilius Lord Baron of Baltemore absolute Lord and Proprietary of this Province with the advise and consent of this Generall Assembly:

That whatsoever person or persons within this Province and the Islands thereunto belonging shall from henceforth blaspheme God, that is Curse him, or deny our Saviour Jesus Christ to bee the sonne of God, or shall deny the holy Trinity the father sonne and holy Ghost, or the Godhead of any of the said Three persons of the Trinity or the Unity of the Godhead, or shall use or utter any reproachfull Speeches, words or language concerning the said Holy Trinity, or any of the said three persons thereof, shalbe punished with death and confiscation or forfeiture of all his or her lands and goods to the Lord Proprietary and his heires.

Soooo David Carlin looks to be in ‘good’ company. You can tolerate the other Christians, because in 1649 they are becoming more powerful than you, but it’s still OK to kill atheists and Jews.

April 12, 2008 at 7:14 pm
(13) mas2007 says:

“Soooo David Carlin looks to be in ‘good’ company.”

To borrow a term from across the pond, what a Fuctard.

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