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Discrimination Against Christians in America

By July 4, 2006

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Many conservative Christians argue that they are being discriminated against and persecuted in America. Why? Basically, because they have lost their once-dominant position in American politics, culture, and law. They can't stand being treated like adherents of every other religion and this, in turn, amounts to persecution in their minds.

In the April/May 2005 issue of Free Inquiry, Tom Flynn writes in his article “Discrimination Against Christians? Oh Please...”:

Majority Christians accurately foresee that their present-day privileges may one day go the way of teacher-led Bible reading. Just as Southern whites did after the Civil War, majority Christians are reacting in ways that are, well, reactionary. ...

Attacks on teaching evolution and efforts to reinstate school prayer increasingly portray majority Christians as victims. And, of course, there was last year’s eagerness to turn back the clock on “Happy Holidays.” Taken together, these initiatives could move the country back toward de facto discrimination against both the nonreligious and all those who are religious but not Christian.

Clearly, majority Christians are getting a lot of mileage out their claims of discrimination. So it’s time to ask some blunt questions. Are majority Christians being discriminated against? No. Are they being treated unfairly? No. Is anyone trying to take their rights away from them? No. But are majority Christians the targets of a reform movement that seeks to take privileges away from them? Emphatically, yes. Many of those privileges are illicit, and their removal will help to bring about a more just and equitable society.

Like Southern whites in the Jim Crow years, today’s Christian Americans have been made to give up only some of the illicit privileges they accumulated in the past. The unfairness of the privileges they retain grows more odious with time as the nation becomes more religiously diverse. “Judeo-Christian” practices that seemed acceptable when Christians and Jews dominated debates over religion in public life are transparently unacceptable today, when Christians and Jews share the nation with atheists, agnostics, secular humanists, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, neopagans, and so on.

This concept of “religious privilege” is very important, I think. Use of the word “privilege” emphasizes the fact that Christianity and Christians have gained from social and legal benefits that they were never really entitled to. Because they persisted for so long, though, Christians seem to have gotten the idea that they deserved them — and now that they are disappearing, the impression exists that vital rights are being lost.

If we were dealing with actual rights, like the right to speech, then claims about discrimination and persecution would be justified. As it is, though, the truth is that Christians are losing privileges — they are losing the ways in which they have been treated better than everyone else. Because of this, they are not actually being discriminated against — but the discrimination against others is ending. It’s not unlike how the elimination of “white privilege” was perceived by whites during the Civil Rights era.

Flynn goes on to quote Ronald A. Lindsay, a church-state separation attorney and a founding member of the Council for Secular Humanism’s First Amendment Task Force, who summarized in 1990 what’s really happening when conservative Christians complain about discrimination:

What is going on here is whining: whining by individuals and groups who have been deprived of the truly privileged position they once enjoyed. For most of this country’s history theism, in particular Christianity, has enjoyed favor. . . . The courts have put an end to some, but certainly not all, of this collaboration between church and state. In doing so, the courts have upset many who assumed that this was the proper way of doing things . . . and who did not see anything coercive, let alone unconstitutional, about such practices. Not unnaturally, they have interpreted the courts’ action as an attack on religion, when in reality they were simply an attempt to put an end to the privileged position that religion enjoyed.

Particularly ironic about this is that privileges for religion have not entirely ended — religion in general continues to enjoy a relatively privileged place in society. What’s ending are privileges for Christianity in particular. Thus complaints about “attacks” on religion are really complaints about “attacks” on Christianity, in which the “attacks” are really policies designed to place Christianity on the same (otherwise privileged) level as all other religions.

Religious privilege — and in particular Christian privilege — is one of the few traditional privileges that continues to be openly defended in modern society. Other forms of privilege, like white privilege and male privilege, may continue to exist but it’s regarded as impolite to actually argue in defense of them anymore. Perhaps one day religious privilege will go the way that white privilege and male privilege are going, but it won’t happen without conservative Christians doing a lot more whining first.

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October 17, 2006 at 10:17 am
(1) John Copeland says:

If our problem is truly our political posyitions of privilege, then why is it we are fighting for prayer in our schools and the ending of abortion? Are these topics merely taken at a whim? Because the last time I looked scripture had alot to say about it! And unless you are a Christian, how in the world do you know what Christian persecution is like? Also, you showed no “other side” in your topic either. You can openly say we are not being descrimenated, and yet in the very same article, you use those powers of descrimination!

October 17, 2006 at 10:53 am
(2) Austin Cline says:

If our problem is truly our political posyitions of privilege, then why is it we are fighting for prayer in our schools and the ending of abortion?

1. Not all Christians agree that there should be official state prayers in school or that abortion should be a crime.

2. You can be privileged without getting your way in every single issue.

And unless you are a Christian, how in the world do you know what Christian persecution is like?

I can look at the historical record and note the eras when Christians were genuinely persecuted. I don’t need to be a Christian to do that, just as I don’t need to be Jewish in order to look at and understand the history of the persecution of Jews.

Also, you showed no “other side” in your topic either.

Why should I? Do Christians who whine about being persecuted show the “other side” in their articles? No. Do you complain in those cases? Probably not.

You can openly say we are not being descrimenated, and yet in the very same article, you use those powers of descrimination!

Giving my opinion and not your opinion is not discrimination. The fact is, you’re just proving my point: if you think that it’s a case of anti-Christian discrimination to disagree with Chritian complaints about discrimination without giving “their side,” then you have so denuded the concept of “discrimination” of any real substance that it becomes useless. That’s not real discrimination and choosing that to complain about demonstrates, quite clearly, that Christians aren’t suffering from real discrimination or persecution in America.

Thank you.

November 25, 2006 at 11:16 am
(3) R.Chaney says:

–You can openly say we are not being descrimenated, and yet in the very same article, you use those powers of descrimination!–

Giving my opinion and not your opinion is not discrimination. The fact is, you’re just proving my point: if you think that it’s a case of anti-Christian discrimination to disagree with Chritian complaints about discrimination without giving “their side,” then you have so denuded the concept of “discrimination” of any real substance that it becomes useless. That’s not real discrimination and choosing that to complain about demonstrates, quite clearly, that Christians aren’t suffering from real discrimination or persecution in America…………………….

Sorry friend, I have to agree with the beginning statement, and not because I am a Christian but because you are just spouting meaningless words…kind of like pre-schoolers….’I know you are, but what am I?!’

If a Christian were to give his/her opinion on homosexuality and repeatedly used male pedophiles who prey on boys as a comparison would that Christian not be ‘crucified’ (no pun inteneded)by liberal atheists such as yourself? Wouldn’t you be outraged that homosexuals were catorgorized with pedophiles….that that particular statement was ‘inflamatory’? How dare that Christian compare homosexuals to pedophiles! Why that is discrimination!…..Yet in your ‘article’ (for lack of a better description–all you did was site another atheist article going ‘yeah, yeah!’ all the way…) you repeatedly compare Christianity to racists behavior during the civil rights era.
Your opinion is just that-your opinion. Your opinion is based on nothing more than your rebellion against a higher authority. That is your choice….but what if you’re wrong? Honestly ask yourself that question…If christians are wrong, they have done nothing more than live a good and MORAL life (that is genuine christians)and then we’ll die and decay and that will be it… But if YOU’RE wrong , you will one day face the one who created you and you will give an account for your entire life and explain to Jehovah God why you refused to believe and why you persecuted (your disdain for Christianity is obvious– “…for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.” Matthew 12:34 and Luke 6:45) the people who chose to believe on the name of Jesus. Just because you CHOOSE to NOT believe doesn’t mean Jesus Christ did not die to cover your sins…but God is merciful and until the day you die it won’t be too late to repent and turn your heart toward the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. The alternative is to die WRONG and spend an eternity in hell.
I don’t hate you for your opinion, I just pity you for it…..But hey! That’s just my opinion (my opinion based on fact), and just because it disagrees with your opinion, doesn’t mean it is discriminatory, right?!?

November 25, 2006 at 11:35 am
(4) Austin Cline says:

I have to agree with the beginning statement

Well, can you support it? Can you provide an argument on behalf of the claim that criticizing complaints about discrimination without giving the “other side” is itself a form of discrimination? The fact that you didn’t even try says something.

If a Christian were to give his/her opinion on homosexuality and repeatedly used male pedophiles who prey on boys as a comparison would that Christian not be ‘crucified’ (no pun inteneded)by liberal atheists such as yourself?

No, they’d be criticized for making a false comparison.

Why that is discrimination!…..

No, it’s not.

Yet in your ‘article’ (for lack of a better description–all you did was site another atheist article going ‘yeah, yeah!’ all the way…) you repeatedly compare Christianity to racists behavior during the civil rights era.

No, I compare systems of racial privilege with systems of religious privilege. There is a difference between “religious privilege” and “Christianity.”

Your opinion is based on nothing more than your rebellion against a higher authority.

If this is an attempt to say something about atheism, you are mistaken.

That is your choice….

The idea that atheism is a choice is another common myth.

but what if you’re wrong? Honestly ask yourself that question…

Pascal’s Wager, already refuted here.

If christians are wrong, they have done nothing more than live a good and MORAL life

Some do, some don’t. Some also discriminate against others. Some try to assert unjust privileges over others in society

Just because you CHOOSE to NOT believe doesn’t mean Jesus Christ did not die to cover your sins…

Just because you claim Christianity is true doesn’t mean it is. Given your failure to offer any substantive arguments on behalf of your position, why would anyone believe you?

The alternative is to die WRONG and spend an eternity in hell.

Or to die and have nothing happen. Or to die and find out that Christianity is wrong and Islam is right. Or to die and find out that there is a god, but it hates self-righteous religious believers who insist that only their religion is the right one. There are an infinite number of possibilities.

I don’t hate you for your opinion, I just pity you for it…..

It would be more interesting if that pity were accompanied by a reasoned argument on behalf of your position.

But hey! That’s just my opinion (my opinion based on fact), and just because it disagrees with your opinion, doesn’t mean it is discriminatory, right?!?

Correct. Your disagreement with me, whether correct or incorrect, is not discrimination.

If your disagreement were “based on fact,” though, I’d expect you could provide those facts.

April 16, 2008 at 11:33 pm
(5) paul says:

Our once great nation was created by people who believed in GOD and his son Jesus Christ. At one time we could honor him at any time and place, and during these times our nation grew into the world’s greatest superpower! OUr nation gave to poorer countries and liberated those under oppression in two great wars.

Now we have turned our back on GOD and oppress like in NAZI Germany, anyone who holds Christ in their hearts. No we cannot call that which is evil wrong nor can we share our beliefs without being called an extremist or a hater! Whereas all others can condemn GOD, call our beliefs evil even when they embrace things that are simply unnatural. Now are nation sits on the brink of destruction, having to borrow money to fight the wars on terror…

What have we become???

April 20, 2008 at 11:54 pm
(6) Lilly says:

Your statement is, Discrimination against christians oh please… This is the very reason why Christians feel we are discriminated against. It is not even the issue of religion in politics, it is the issue of religious criticisms such as this.

April 21, 2008 at 5:54 am
(7) Austin Cline says:

Your statement is, Discrimination against christians oh please…

That’s not my statement, that’s the title of the article I am quoting.

This is the very reason why Christians feel we are discriminated against. It is not even the issue of religion in politics, it is the issue of religious criticisms such as this.

So, religious criticism makes Christians feel discriminated against? Oh, please – any Christian who feels discriminated against simply because someone critiques religion doesn’t understand discrimination.

Should I feel discriminated against because you disagree with and criticize what I wrote? Of course not.

April 22, 2008 at 2:13 pm
(8) GeckoRoamin says:

>>Now we have turned our back on GOD and oppress like in NAZI Germany, anyone who holds Christ in their hearts.

All Nazi soldiers had “Gott mit uns”, which means “God is with us”, embossed on their belt buckles. The Nazis most certainly did not “turn their backs on God”.

April 22, 2008 at 2:49 pm
(9) Drew says:

Erm, sorry “Paul”, but your nation was not created by “people who believed in GOD and his son Jesus Christ.”

None of the first four American presidents – George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, or James Madison, thought that Jesus Christ was anything more than a fable. Neither they, nor Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Paine, were Christians. Not one of them. Oh, and neither were the following presidents: Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, and Ulysses Grant. All of these were much greater, and much abler men than the Christian idiots who have inhabited the White House for my entire lifetime.

The non-religious and anti-Christian quotes from these men are widely available on internet atheist web sites. The first six named above had more influence in the formation of the United States than all other British North Americans then alive.

Isn’t it interesting what a little actual research, and knowledge based upon fact, can provide?

April 22, 2008 at 3:31 pm
(10) John Hanks says:

American is just like every other nation. It was a terrible mistake even before it came into existence.

April 22, 2008 at 4:10 pm
(11) Todd says:

Come back paul, we’re not through with you.

“Now we have turned our back on GOD and oppress like in NAZI Germany”

Oppress? Who in the US is oppressed? There is some inequality, but virtually nothing that could seriously be called oppression. Congrats on the Godwin, though. That was too easy. Are you a troll?

April 24, 2008 at 12:24 pm
(12) GeckoRoamin says:

I must have missed the headlines about Christias being rounded up into concentration camps and put into gas chambers. Where was the news report on medical experiments being performed on “people of faith”? That liberal media must be covering it up.

Comparing imagined “oppression” to the Holocaust is an INSULT to the millions of people who died under the Nazi regime.

April 24, 2008 at 8:33 pm
(13) phrog says:

Thanks Austin, for bringing these jewels out of the archives. Though time has passed since the original post and Chaney and Copeland are not likely to come back to back up any argument. Some day we might just find one that does and perhaps has had a breakthrough of rational thinking. In the meantime, I’ll wait.

December 4, 2008 at 5:51 pm
(14) john lourens says:

Hmmmm i dont think that is much Discrimination aginst Christians look at the muslums when people think of them they think somebody with a bomb when in fact alot of muslums are peaceful people tell me if i was born in india and i was raised as a muslum is it my fault?

January 23, 2009 at 8:30 am
(15) Shannon says:

For me, being a Christian, I totally disagree with you. We have not lost our “one time domanance”. It is all in Gods hands, not mans. So you can say all you want, but it is the Holy Lord God Almighty that has the say and the power.

January 23, 2009 at 8:52 am
(16) Austin Cline says:

For me, being a Christian, I totally disagree with you. We have not lost our “one time domanance”.

OK, so are you saying that Christians never dominated society or are you saying that Christians continue to dominate society just as they always have?

It is all in Gods hands, not mans. So you can say all you want, but it is the Holy Lord God Almighty that has the say and the power.

Not from what I can tell. I see no evidence that any gods are playing any role in our affairs. Feel free to prove otherwise, if you can.

February 9, 2009 at 5:19 am
(17) Johanne says:

Christians are being discriminated – and it has nothing to do with losing “religious privilege” and all that.

Case in point, if I quote Sidharta Gautama in school, it’s perfectly acceptible. But if I quote Jesus, it’s wrong – people actually do wince.

Christmas is a “Christian Holiday” commerating the birth of Jesus. As a christian holiday, why is it “wrong” (or at least politically incorrect) to say “Merry Christmas”. Imagine that, a christian Holiday where you can’t say the name of Christ in public – can you imagine a MLK jr. day without people mentioning the history of Martin Luther King jr throughout the holiday?

The point is that the name of Jesus is becoming synonymous to “political incorrectness”. And because of that trend, the world does tend to discriminate against those who believe in Christ.

Personally, I’m not shocked. Jesus forewarned his apostles about discrimination. And here’s why:

Christianity basically asks a person to surrender his/her life to God. By professing in your mouth and believing in your heart that Christ is the Lord and Saviour, you are letting God take control of your life.

Of course, atheists don’t believe in God. But it doeasn’t matter. The very notion of surrendering your life is something a secularist society finds threatening. As you know, secularism is all about promoting the self/ the individual – hence individuality. The Bible promotes something else entirely – living selflessly. It tells people not to pursue what you want, but to consider the bigger picture (God above all) in every action. Because of that, Christian values will always be mocked by a society that puts emphasis on “pursuing your dreams”.

In addition, the Bible also states that Jesus is the ONLY WAY, no other. The notion that there is only “one way” is threatening to a secularist society that promotes “I do what I do – you do what you do”.

Put it simply, Christian values are opposite to worldy values. This is the reason why the Bible tells believers that they are not “citizens of the world”. It’s this difference in ideals that causes discrimination against Christians.

You can say what you want that discrimination is only in the heads of Christians. However, it doesn’t change the fact that a growing portion of the the world opposes Christianity. And again, I’m not surprised. The Bible prophesied this anti-Christian sentiment.

February 9, 2009 at 6:41 am
(18) Austin Cline says:

Christians are being discriminated – and it has nothing to do with losing “religious privilege” and all that.

Case in point, if I quote Sidharta Gautama in school, it’s perfectly acceptible. But if I quote Jesus, it’s wrong – people actually do wince.

And that’s discrimination?

Christmas is a “Christian Holiday” commerating the birth of Jesus.

For Christians it is; for everyone else, it’s a cultural holiday that has little or nothing to do with Christianity. This is clearly demonstrated by the fact that almost nothing in the popular celebrations and traditions around Christmas have any connection to Christianity, though they may have connections to ancient pagan celebration.

As a christian holiday, why is it “wrong” (or at least politically incorrect) to say “Merry Christmas”.

Maybe because that’s not the only holiday being celebrated and it’s an expression of Christian Privilege to assume otherwise. Not even all Christians celebrate only that day, and some Christians don’t celebrate it.

Personally, I’m not shocked. Jesus forewarned his apostles about discrimination.

And that’s why you see discrimination where there isn’t any. You are calling “discrimination” where people simply aren’t treating you and your beliefs with the same deference and respect you think you deserve.

Of course, atheists don’t believe in God. But it doeasn’t matter. The very notion of surrendering your life is something a secularist society finds threatening.

Prove it.

As you know, secularism is all about promoting the self/ the individual

That’s just daft. Secularism is simply the absence of religion — anything that is not religious is secular and everything not secular is religious. Baseball is secular. Laundry is secular. Gone with the Wind is a secular movie. A secular political philosophy might promote the individual or it might promote collectivism.

In addition, the Bible also states that Jesus is the ONLY WAY, no other. The notion that there is only “one way” is threatening to a secularist society that promotes “I do what I do – you do what you do”.

You almost have a point here: in a pluralistic society, where people have many different beliefs that all have the same social and legal status, people proclaiming that theirs is the only legitimate way and everyone else will be punished for all eternity for disagreeing will often be looked upon critically. This is because they are rude, arrogant, and promoting immoral, violent ideas.

Put it simply, Christian values are opposite to worldy values.

Yeah, that’s why Christians in America dominate politics and industry. They are so un-worldly.

You can say what you want that discrimination is only in the heads of Christians. However, it doesn’t change the fact that a growing portion of the the world opposes Christianity.

Despite the fact that there are more Christians than any other religious group.

And again, I’m not surprised. The Bible prophesied this anti-Christian sentiment.

And that’s the only reason why you believe it — the Bible said it, so it must be true. It doesn’t matter what the evidence and situation, you’ll find a way to present it as though Christians are the losers.

February 13, 2009 at 2:37 pm
(19) MrMarkAZ says:

The Bible prophesied this anti-Christian sentiment.

Then you should have no objection to it, for you are defying godswill by doing so.

February 13, 2009 at 3:55 pm
(20) Zayla says:

Religion at it’s best. I know I’m leaving this all over, but I think it worth it. This is what fundamentalists will do.

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009020828735

February 13, 2009 at 7:11 pm
(21) John Hanks says:

It is common for Jews, Christians and Muslims to be liars and bullies. It is their behavior that causes most of the problems.

February 14, 2009 at 12:12 am
(22) God Isn't says:

Johanne wrote (#17): “The Bible prophesied this anti-Christian sentiment.”

Really? So, saying that a religion, any religion, will have detractors isn’t common sense? “Predicting” something for a particular religion that’s common to all religions is “prophesy?” How about all the anti-muslim sentiment? The anti-pagan sentiment? The anti-jewish sentiment? Do you really believe that the only anti-religious sentiment is anti-christian?

How about all the infighting among christians themselves: pope/no pope; transfiguration/symbolism; faith only/works only/faith and works; the entire bible is literal/some parts are allegory, etc.? Does that prove that a certain brand of christianity is true, or that they’re all equally bogus? I’m going with they’re all equally bogus.

February 14, 2009 at 3:13 am
(23) Jolly Jack says:

john lourens says:

Hmmmm i dont think that is much Discrimination aginst Christians look at the muslums when people think of them they think somebody with a bomb when in fact alot of muslums are peaceful people tell me if i was born in india and i was raised as a muslum is it my fault?

Absolutely not your fault, John!
This is what I have been saying for years. Believers follow the faith of the geographic area in which they were born, usually the faith of their fathers, which is the same as saying that their faith is based upon circumstance and chance, no more, no less.
Each faith seems to see the silliness of others, but turns a deaf ear when their own comes under scrutiny.
To discover the credibility of one’s faith requires honest inquiry with a really open mind, which means the willingness to discard long-held “facts” if such are determined to be false.
But, too many are all too comfortable with the pleasing biblical verses they were spoonfed as children, and they don’t want to relinquish such comfort, their security blanket.
I must say that since my epiphany, I now look upon christians in disbelief for their casual acceptance of childish, biblical tales, which diligent research by biblical students of all persuasions has determined to be false and without basis.
I have often wondered what might happen if Sunday theists were shownd some of the horror stories involving acts of murder, killing, rape, genocide and mayhem found in the OT, mostly commanded or condoned by their god of mercy, their god of love, whenever he felt like it!
His actions make a mockery of justice. No wonder christianity keeps such tales under wraps!

February 16, 2009 at 4:53 pm
(24) Drew says:

I know Austin already did this to Johanne, but . . .

“Of course, atheists don’t believe in God. But it doeasn’t matter. The very notion of surrendering your life is something a secularist society finds threatening.”

Well, a secularist is a person who has made a choice to reject theocracy. A secularist may be an atheist, or may be a believer in a god. The term secularist is NOT synonymous with the word atheist. Rejecting theocracy, and thereby being a secularist, makes a lot of sense if a person just looks at human history, and compares countries around the world today. Instead of spitting out the word “secularist” with contempt, more theists should figure out that the only choice for governments is theocracy or secularism, and then evaluate which format better ensures their ability to worship (or not) as they want to.

And yes, as a “secularist” and an atheist, I will struggle and speak out against a lot of “isms” that would force me to submit to them. Like Islam. And Christianity. And communism. And fascism.

“As you know, secularism is all about promoting the self/ the individual – hence individuality.”

No, learn what big words mean before trying to use them – or worse yet, before trying to misuse them.

“The Bible promotes something else entirely – living selflessly.”

No, the Bible promotes the little people doing what the princes and priests tell them to do, without resistance or challenge. It’s all right there in Genesis: knowledge bad, obedience good.

“It tells people not to pursue what you want, but to consider the bigger picture (God above all) in every action.”

No, it does not. It is two religions glued together. The older Jewish one tells the members of the tribe to stay loyal to the tribe at all costs. The newer Christian one piggy-backed on the older one for legitimacy (as Islam, Mormonism, and Scientology have also done), and is the expression of Jewish resistence to Imperial Roman rule, in the form of a mythical god-man who did not exist, and who promised to return 1900 years ago.

“Because of that, Christian values will always be mocked by a society that puts emphasis on “pursuing your dreams”.

Christian values are mocked when they are irrational, anti-social, anti-intellectual, etc. The mockery does not come from people ‘pursuing their dreams’, it comes from people who are able to subject Christianity to unbiased analysis.

“In addition, the Bible also states that Jesus is the ONLY WAY, no other. The notion that there is only “one way” is threatening to a secularist society that promotes “I do what I do – you do what you do”.”

No, what threatens secular societies is those who prefer theocracy, often unknowingly. Obviously Muslim immigrants in Western Europe are part of the threat, as they seek to create separate Sharia courts, and use the threat of violence to cause media to self-censor. Christians use less violent means, but seek many of the same things – exemption from criticism (ie censorship), financial and tax exemptions, banning of real science from biology classes, etc. One should always double-check who ones allies are in such debates; sharing ideas with imams should set off a warning bell in the minds of rational Christians.

“Put it simply, Christian values are opposite to worldy values.”

I follow articles on religion fairly closely. From the buildings and heirarchies they build, and their constant meddling in the lives of others, I’d say there are few institutions or ideas more worldly than the various sects of Christianity, and those who use it to fund their way of living.

“However, it doesn’t change the fact that a growing portion of the the world opposes Christianity.”

Yes, due to higher birth rates in rival religions, and the increasing atheism within perviously Christian families.

“And again, I’m not surprised. The Bible prophesied this anti-Christian sentiment.”

Yes, great speech coach. The world is against us, blah, blah, blah. But our tribe will win! Let’s dig deep, and win one for the Gipper!

Your grandchildren will be atheists. And when that happens, most of your values will still be held by them. The only difference is there will be a little less silly superstition in their lives than in yours.

April 16, 2009 at 6:17 pm
(25) Jess Benbrook says:

Christians make up 80% of the US’s population.

HELP,WE ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!

June 4, 2009 at 11:37 pm
(26) new world order says:

Well i really dont like talking about this with anyone other the my fellow brothers but i feel america needs awake up call. Now i must say americans are really qutie blind to what we are doing right in front of your eyes. I honestly feel quite alot of pitty that only a few people in america really understand this and what is really happing. If america would just wake up and realized what we were doing the entire country would revolt like its 1775 again but you wont so i know we are doing a good job. Anyway to christians being discriminated yes they are slowly but sure and sorry to tell you this but it will only get worse along with all religous freedoms and the rest of ur freedoms as well. Dont worry though its for your saftey ;) only 3 years left i hope your all ready!

July 5, 2009 at 3:44 am
(27) Manoug Puskul says:

As an American of Armenian, Greek, Macedonian, Bulgarian extraction and an Australian citizen for 15 years. I would have to say I would probably have more insight about this topic than the lot of you. As a religion, and going by the religions patron as a shining example. Christians are always considered infidels, and pagan non-believers. It is considered an honor to intermarry “convert” one into the muslim faith. Mohammed was a murderer of infidels, paedophile, and a polygamist among other things so how’s that for a foundation to religious tolerence? Muslims in any christian country are overtly tolerant, but they do not integrate to the culture of their host country. There are large fundamental communities in Germany, Australia, and America where these ultra fundamentalists educate/brainwash children in their own schools and wear their own special garb to distinguish themselves from the infidels. In turkey church bells are forbidden, and the infidel technology loud speakers scream out every day. Churches and priests are still entered desecrated and made a mockery of with insults. Would any christian dare to enter a mosque and try his luck in the same fashion, I would dare anyone to see the retaliation. Asia minor had such a rich diversity of Christians, and was the birthplace of both the first & second state to declare Christianity as a religion namely Constantinople & Armenia. Today there are very few left, they have been oppressed or murdered to the point where most have emigrated to other parts of the world. Yet they emigrate themselves, and are more deeply fundamental than the general population from where they came from. Muslims are in fact very racist,unforgiving and violent(eye for an eye) cutting off body parts depending on the crime, stoning to death as opposed to turning the cheek, forgiveness, and respect for ones neighbor.Do not mix or compare the old testament with the new one, this is only the foundation of several religions in particular the Quran. The dominance that is being exerted to force change by a minority speaks volumes of it’s inherent discriminatory character. The freedoms and quality of life enjoyed by Muslims in Christian majority countries, are nowhere near reciprocal to that of their Christian counterparts.

September 21, 2009 at 10:46 pm
(28) Leo says:

I think an atheist has some gall to even go to all this trouble posting such a post, nor even debate with anyone who has any religion, when he/she has none. Come on, a debate would be from 2 different but same type of faction. So you are still struggling for answers, correct? Still trying to get the proof you need to make the right decisions in your life. No matter what replies you get. The answer will never be on a website, because it can only come from God. So try reading your Bible instead. It IS God’s word. People may only confuse you and manipulate you. But God knows how you can understand or NOT. Give Him a try. He will give you peace. Peace in His love for you.

September 22, 2009 at 6:46 am
(29) Austin Cline says:

I think an atheist has some gall to even go to all this trouble posting such a post

Why?

The answer will never be on a website, because it can only come from God.  

What god?

So try reading your Bible instead.  

I have. Several times. In several translations. In a couple of different languages. I don’t see any answers in it.

September 29, 2009 at 5:40 pm
(30) Zayla says:

I am in the process of trying to write my first book, which is a collection of essay’s, some sarcastic and humorous, and some very serious, and the “Christian bigotry” is my favorite. Look for it in bookshelves, well probably never, but think of the back-wards Seinfeld episode.

It may be written in a humorous tone, but it actually gives an idea of what a Christian would feel like if there really was bigotry against Christians in this country.

September 29, 2009 at 11:28 pm
(31) John Hanks says:

The Bible consists of a number of unrelated texts that were assembled by priests for kings. The stories are grand, but there is very little wisdom in it. Much of it is very harmful and it has destroyed countless lives.

September 30, 2009 at 4:22 pm
(32) Doug Shaver says:

“So try reading your Bible instead. It IS God’s word.”

You say so. Shall I just take your word for it?

“Give Him a try.”

I did.

“He will give you peace.”

He didn’t.

September 30, 2009 at 5:47 pm
(33) Tom Edgar says:

Leo.

If you’ll excuse me but why is it “Gall” yo post on a site that is a meeting place for atheists? I would imagine it is gall for theists to intrude their (my opinion) distorted beliefs into our forum.

Now I will not deny you, as I didn’t deny my late wife’s,religious beliefs. But if you want to put your two cents worth in then you must expect to receive a return
with interest.

As for not debating then your argument is certainly flawed. Any amount of debate will be met with intelligent and factual, scientific, and logically based answers, all that is asked is that when you present an argument, or point,that you qualify it with some sort of evidence based substantiation, and preferably in a grammatical form. Unfortunately most theists on this site seem unable to do either, yourself included.

As for reading the Bible. It is not the only religious book.
Having, like most atheists, read the Bible and also owning The Koran, which is even harder and more ridiculous to read than the Judeo/Christian book. I strongly doubt that you have even looked at the Muslim and Hindu versions of the Bible. Nor do I for a moment think you have read “The Thinker’s Handbook” or any other atheistic publication. No you bigots always think WE should read your worthless publication whilst hypocritically refusing to take the same medicine.

February 3, 2010 at 4:38 pm
(34) Joe says:

this article and you are a load of bull sh*t. you can take a flying leap and burn in hell with all of your athesist friends.

March 20, 2010 at 9:20 pm
(35) Dodie says:

I find that it is very easy to twist anyone’s words to fit their own purposes. While I understand the outrage of the Christian community and am sadden to hear the changes of certain things that have been in place for years; I do understand the need to live in peace and harmony. However with that being said, our country which was founded under God (it states this several times in several articles of governmental documents) has no longer showed any concerns of which our ancestors (not fore fathers) came to America to accomplish. Like our history states, we like to suppress and oppress anyone who is different in any kind of way. Now that some people or religions out weigh others in population, the suppression and oppression is now facing the other way. Is it right? No by all means. Is it fair? No, any discrimination of any kind is morally and constitutionally wrong. Will it change? No, unfortunately it will never change. The dominating population will just chose a new group to dislike and discriminate again. First Indians, then Irish, then Africans, and now Mexican Americans. Same in religion where it was everyone that did not believe in Christianity to now facing Christianity as the discriminatory party.
Knowing that this is all one person’s opinions, there is no reason to get upset. Opinions are like belly buttons, every one has one and each one is different from someone else’s belly button. If you have true faith then persevere through the discrimination. The good book says that Christians will have to endure this to be able to be with God. Those who have no faith and no belief will have to suffer those consequences. Just because they are trying to remove the name of God from our form of Money and everything else, does not mean they take the name of God from our lips, hearts, and minds. What this man says is an opinion that is not based on any kind of fact. Indeed, he admitted that this article is based on another article and his opinion. Unless I see some actual proof that will change my mind without a doubt, I will declare this: I am a Christian. I believe in God and Jesus Christ. I believe that Jesus Christ is my savior and God is my father. If you have a problem with it then so what. You are entitled to that. Persecute me all you want. I will die for my beliefs.

April 18, 2010 at 10:06 pm
(36) ChristianPrincessJen says:

I know you may not like Christians because they have done some bad things in the past. Back then, some Christians did horrible things to Jews and some priests/popes told people they were going to go to hell. The truth is, those are not realy Christians! A real Christian does NOT tell gays/lesbians God hates them and does not kill people to “spread their religion”. They are not a true Christian.

April 19, 2010 at 8:24 am
(37) Austin Cline says:

I know you may not like Christians because they have done some bad things in the past. Back then, some Christians did horrible things to Jews and some priests/popes told people they were going to go to hell. The truth is, those are not realy Christians! A real Christian does NOT tell gays/lesbians God hates them and does not kill people to “spread their religion”. They are not a true Christian.

Funny, but they might say that you aren’t a “True Christian.” Why should we believe you and not them?

April 19, 2010 at 8:28 am
(38) Austin Cline says:

our country which was founded under God (it states this several times in several articles of governmental documents)

Examples, please.

has no longer showed any concerns of which our ancestors (not fore fathers) came to America to accomplish.

Should we?

Like our history states, we like to suppress and oppress anyone who is different in any kind of way.

That’s exactly what many of the ancestors did when they came to America.

Just because they are trying to remove the name of God from our form of Money and everything else, does not mean they take the name of God from our lips, hearts, and minds.

It’s nice of you to admit that the word “God” on the money and other places is a reference to your god in particular and not just some general “god concept.” I guess you must object when Christians argue the latter in court because they are lying and that’s something Christians aren’t supposed to do. Right?

Now, why do you think you need your god to be mentioned on money?

What this man says is an opinion that is not based on any kind of fact.

Feel free to show how.

Persecute me all you want. I will die for my beliefs.

Why do you think you are being persecuted, will be persecuted, or that anyone wants to persecute you? Perhaps by being so eager to die for your beliefs, you’re seeing persecution where there isn’t any.

April 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm
(39) Sandy says:

What priviledges do Christians have that others do not? Christian descrimination is running rampant in America and an Atheist is not exactly the authority needed to point it out or discuss it. Your opinions are merely that. Your opinions. Many people scream harrassment, persecution, abuse and whatever, all day long. The sad thing about it is that liberals, like yourself, merely want to down the South because you no absolutely nothing about the South, the real history of America, or anything about Christianity. So, since you obviously lack the credentials of writing on the topic, why don’t you just stop.
I mean you are being rediculous. Take for example the current issues with not allowing Franklin Graham to speak to our military. Muslims cried that that was unfair. Boohoo. Talk to soldiers and find out what level of them consider themselves to be Christian. It is not that Chrsitians no longer have the majority, but that there is indeed a National of Islam, radical moron in the White House. The man stated that he would side with muslims if it came down to it and ever since has taken the muslim stance and muslim side on every issue.
You might want to study up your brain, so that you have the ability to communicate opinions, after actually learning the facts before you go off on a half tangent to try to put down Chrsitians.
Am I a Christian. ABSOLUTELY, BORN AGAIN, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, MY LORD AND SAVIOR.
Ashamed? Not for a second. Intimidated by people like you? Not at all. Why? Because you pose me no threat. Like most liberals wing nuts, you want to spout your opinions with nothing but mere opinion to support your opinions. Try to gain a few facts and maybe you will be armed with something. Right now, you impress no one.

April 27, 2010 at 5:32 pm
(40) Austin Cline says:

What priviledges do Christians have that others do not?

There are lots of examples of Christian Privilege in America.

Christian descrimination is running rampant in America

Prove it.

Do you also imagine that whites are the ones who are discriminated against in America?

Your opinions are merely that. Your opinions. Many people scream harrassment, persecution, abuse and whatever, all day long.

Against atheists, yes.

I mean you are being rediculous.

Feel free to show how.

Take for example the current issues with not allowing Franklin Graham to speak to our military.

What about it? How was it discrimination?

Muslims cried that that was unfair. Boohoo. Talk to soldiers and find out what level of them consider themselves to be Christian.

So if there are lots of Christians in the military, then it’s appropriate to invite a Christian to speak to the military even when that Christian says hateful things about Muslims and Islam?

It is not that Chrsitians no longer have the majority,

At least you admit that…

but that there is indeed a National of Islam, radical moron in the White House.

Prove it.

The man stated that he would side with muslims if it came down to it

Prove it.

and ever since has taken the muslim stance and muslim side on every issue.

Cite your evidence.

You might want to study up your brain, so that you have the ability to communicate opinions, after actually learning the facts before you go off on a half tangent to try to put down Chrsitians.

Would “studying with your brain” allow a person (like, for example, you) to be able to cite evidence for their empirical claims? If so, then you should have no problem providing evidence for all the claims above which I challenged.

Intimidated by people like you? Not at all. Why?

Actually, the real question is: why do you imagine that anyone is trying to intimidate you? Assuming that suggests a persecution complex.

Because you pose me no threat.

So…. I guess that claim above about discrimination isn’t true after all?

Like most liberals wing nuts, you want to spout your opinions with nothing but mere opinion to support your opinions.

And since you’re so different, you’ll be able to provide all sorts of evidence to support your many claims above.

Try to gain a few facts and maybe you will be armed with something. Right now, you impress no one.

And I’m all aflutter in anticipation of you impressing everyone else by proving your claims.

August 12, 2010 at 12:56 pm
(41) Ajax Manatiso says:

This article is very discriminatory. I don’t believe in any forced prayer in school but I also don’t believe a child should be punished for praying on their own. I disagree with the religious right and want to point out, ALL CHRISTIANS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN RIGHT! All blacks don’t love watermelon and fried chicken. Its very discriminatory when you think you know someone’s likes and dislikes and all their opinions just because you know they are religious. This is absolutely what prejudice is all about, and you are certainly a part of it.
At work I take my breaks with a muslim and we agree on so many things — there is widespread prejudice growing in this country against all religions.

August 12, 2010 at 4:51 pm
(42) Austin Cline says:

This article is very discriminatory.

Where’s the discrimination.

I don’t believe in any forced prayer in school but I also don’t believe a child should be punished for praying on their own.

How many cases of the latter can yo point to?

November 22, 2010 at 9:08 pm
(43) J.C says:

This article is nothing but garbage, first off Majority of Christians don’t complain about discrimination, they ones that do might have a legit argument other may not. Its funny how an Atheist always seems to talk about the actions of the OT when the OT is pretty much invalid to modern Christians and had to do with B.C era Jewish Society. Majority of American Christians are Gentiles who converted. Yet in the same breath these same “Atheists” will defend Islam when Islam’s B.C era culture is still alive and well, and Muslims have the same feelings that Christians do about you atheists. You people would never talk your crap or have the freedom you do in a Muslim dominated society.

Second, comparing Christians to Jim Crow Era whites is fallacious at best.

Austine Cline wrote:

No, I compare systems of racial privilege with systems of religious privilege. There is a difference between “religious privilege” and “Christianity.”

Austine Cline is being a Liar, Comparing Jim Crow Privilage to Christians is laughable at best. The Former involved a set leader, the White male and his white family and it sought to socially bar Minorities in Particular blacks from basic human rights.

For instance, Blacks could not “Convert” to being white, blacks could not even enjoy being friends with whites during Jim Crow.

Are there “All Christian Juries” after All Christian Riots have killed an non Christian to set free the guilty..??

Are there Christian Parades Spraying Non Christians with Water hoses and Attack Dogs??

Yet one crazed Pastor says he will burn the Koran and Muslims everywhere Plan on Killing innocent Civilians, One Bear is named Muhammed and Muslims are ready to Draw blood.

Better not publically insult The Prophet of Islam, Beware for your life,,……… South Park can insult Jesus and Christians will either ignore it or laugh but Insult Muslims and UH-Oh that right South Park was forced to Take out their Anti-Islam rhetoric…

but yet the Atheist Community is silent.

In reality Atheist soldiers only go after Christians because they have majority become complacent and soft. You will rarely insult Islam even when they kill your Atheist Secular borthers in their homelands(the Few that there are..lol). You will defend Islam because Islam scares you really.

November 23, 2010 at 6:45 am
(44) Austin Cline says:

This article is nothing but garbage,

Yet you can’t point to any errors.

first off Majority of Christians don’t complain about discrimination,

I never made any claims about a “majority of Christians.”

Its funny how an Atheist

Generalizing about atheists? You won’t be able to do that well until you realize that atheism isn’t a proper noun.

always seems to talk about the actions of the OT when the OT is pretty much invalid to modern Christians

Tell that to all the Christians who keep trying to use it to justify their beliefs — like, say, their homophobia.

Yet in the same breath these same “Atheists” will defend Islam

Prove. Cite the atheists who complain about the OT then defend Islam.

Second, comparing Christians to Jim Crow Era whites is fallacious at best.

Feel free to show how.

Austine Cline is being a Liar,

Point out where I have lied.

Comparing Jim Crow Privilage to Christians is laughable at best.

Curiously, this is a response to where I explain that I’m comparing religious privilege to racial privilege, not “Jim Crow Privilage to Christians.”

The Former involved a set leader, the White male and his white family and it sought to socially bar Minorities in Particular blacks from basic human rights.

Religious privilege — or specifically Christian privilege — has a set leader, the Christian believer, and seeks to bar non-Christians from the same privileges and rights that Christians enjoy.

Are there “All Christian Juries” after All Christian Riots have killed an non Christian to set free the guilty..??

If you had read more closely, you’d have noticed that the passage I quoted refers to “Southern whites in the Jim Crow years,” not the Jim Crow legal system. Are you able to comprehend the difference between the two?

but yet the Atheist Community is silent.

Atheists aren’t silent about Islam. I’ve written about it frequently here — a fact you’d know if you spent even a few seconds using the search function.

You will defend Islam because Islam scares you really.

Atheists defending Islam — aside from defending the equal rights of Muslims against assertions of Christian privilege — is nothing more than a figment of a fevered imagination.

November 26, 2010 at 9:43 pm
(45) Zack says:

You will defend Islam because Islam scares you really. — J.C on November 22, 2010 at 9:08 pm

As an atheist, I find little to admire in Islam and much to condemn. In this, it is not dissimilar from other religions.

Take Christianity, for example. I am sure you will be swift to condemn Christianity’s role in the cold-blooded murder of innocent men and women, whose only crime was providing a legal and necessary medical service:

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during an anti-abortion protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn’s murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

August 21, 1993 Dr. George Patterson, an abortion provider, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama.

July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.

December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International, was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.

January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.

October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian’s murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.

January 12, 2011 at 1:01 am
(46) Redbierd says:

What about highly qualified people being denied positions like the professor in KY just because he was Christian? That’s blatant discrimination. Students getting failing grades for expressing their Christian beliefs. It makes me sick when people refer to free thinking, it’s only free if it’s prejudiced against the Christian religion.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/17/scientist-alleges-religious-discrimination-ky/?test=latestnews

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2010/08/university-vs-fundamentalist-christian.html

June 24, 2011 at 5:48 pm
(47) Butch West says:

You article seems to be Hogwash. No discrimination against Christians? Frank Turek was just fired from CISCO just because he is a Christian who holds pro-family values.

He never witnessed at work, he wrote books outside of work and he fired for his personal position he is a Christian. Never even mentioned it at work. Too bad, he should have.

June 25, 2011 at 1:31 pm
(48) Austin Cline says:

You article seems to be Hogwash. No discrimination against Christians? Frank Turek was just fired from CISCO just because he is a Christian who holds pro-family values.

Evidence, please?

September 2, 2011 at 11:27 am
(49) Brett says:

Actually, I think Christians are discriminated against, particularly in academic circles. If you want to make all religions equal, that’s one thing. But to make it politically incorrect to even speak the name of Jesus in a public or academic forum is something else.

Here is what I personally have observed: If someone of another faith, like say Islam, espouses their religious and philosophical beliefs in an academic or public setting, it is treated as an interesting subject of discussion. If a Christian does the same, they are ignored, marginalized, or worse, branded “homophobe,” “stupid,” “intolerant,” “ignorant,” “preachy,” among other things.

While some Christians may in fact be these things (and I will admit that I often hang my head in shame after reading or hearing VERY poor defenses of Christianity, including in this very comment thread), I think it is more than a bit unfair to dictate to one segment of society, even a large one such as Christianity, that they cannot engage in public or academic discourse unless they leave what they consider to be the most vital part of themselves behind. Especially when no such demand is made of Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc.

September 2, 2011 at 5:03 pm
(50) Austin Cline says:

Actually, I think Christians are discriminated against, particularly in academic circles.

Evidence?

I think it is more than a bit unfair to dictate to one segment of society, even a large one such as Christianity, that they cannot engage in public or academic discourse

Evidence?

September 11, 2011 at 11:04 am
(51) Brett says:

Did you even read the rest of my paragraph? I gave you your evidence there. But I’ll re-print it for you.

If you want to make all religions equal, that’s one thing. But to make it politically incorrect to even speak the name of Jesus in a public or academic forum is something else.

Here is what I personally have observed: If someone of another faith, like say Islam, espouses their religious and philosophical beliefs in an academic or public setting, it is treated as an interesting subject of discussion. If a Christian does the same, they are ignored, marginalized, or worse, branded “homophobe,” “stupid,” “intolerant,” “ignorant,” “preachy,” among other things.

But if you want a more specific example: Richard Dawkins in “The God Delusion” essentially tells people that you can’t be a Christian and be a scientist at the same time. In essence, “get rid of your religion, or get out.” If a Christian had written a book damning atheists similarly, I doubt it would have been as popular.

September 11, 2011 at 12:19 pm
(52) Austin Cline says:

Did you even read the rest of my paragraph? I gave you your evidence there.

No, you didn’t, you gave a series of assertions.

If you want to make all religions equal, that’s one thing. But to make it politically incorrect to even speak the name of Jesus in a public or academic forum is something else.

And where’s the evidence of anyone doing what you allege?

Here is what I personally have observed: If someone of another faith, like say Islam, espouses their religious and philosophical beliefs in an academic or public setting, it is treated as an interesting subject of discussion. If a Christian does the same, they are ignored, marginalized, or worse, branded “homophobe,” “stupid,” “intolerant,” “ignorant,” “preachy,” among other things.

And where’s the evidence of this happening?

But if you want a more specific example: Richard Dawkins in “The God Delusion” essentially tells people that you can’t be a Christian and be a scientist at the same time.

“Essentially”? This is your interpretation. What are his exact words?

But I am under the opinion that true Christians are becoming increasingly rare in modernized Western society. By true Christians, I mean those for whom their religion actually matters.

And who determines what it means to “matter” in one’s life – you?

Your polls and surveys can only show how many people claim the title of Christian. They cannot show how many live up to its principles.

And whom should I ask if they are living up to their principles – you? How well do you live up to these principles – and whom should I ask about that?

And that smaller percentage IS discriminated against in modern society.

Feel free to cite your evidence.

I have experienced this personally. Standing up for my beliefs has seen my ostracized, leered at, called “prude”, etc. by my peers in high school.

Maybe you weren’t discriminated against for being a Christians – maybe you were treated badly because people regarded you as an obnoxious, self-righteous jerk. People treat jerks badly, regardless of the reasons they have for being jerks.

I take it you do not place very much faith in personal experience as evidence

The plural of “anecdote” is not “data.” Even more important is the fact that you aren’t simply offering up personal experiences as evidence, but your own subjective interpretations of those experiences as evidence.

since no sociological studies have yet been done to my knowledge about how those who live Christian values are treated, personal experience is what we have to work with.

It’s not necessary to have a sociological study. All that’s necessary is independent evidence – and since discrimination based on religion is illegal, there’s lots of potential for independent evidence if people make official complaints of discrimination and independent investigation turns up independent evidence that those complaints are valid.

Saying “people have treated me badly, and I think it was solely because I was a ‘true’ Christian in a way they weren’t” hardly qualifies.

September 15, 2011 at 10:36 am
(53) Brett says:

Were the insults truly necessary? And I would not consider refusing to drink underage, listen to rap music (which is just as much a matter or preference as it is a matter of faith), or go to parties where actions that make me uncomfortable take place “self-righteous or obnoxious.”

September 15, 2011 at 10:43 am
(54) Brett says:

But more to the point, a final thought. If Christianity (here meaning those who claim adherence) is the majority is country (a fact I will not dispute), then where do so many elements of society that are contrary to Christianity come from? Music, whose lyrics I will not cite for the explicitness, the escalation of profanity usage, lewd humor, etc. Things things cannot be solely propagated by non-Christians, as they are the minority. Christians must be doing this. And if Christians are consciously practicing things that are against their faith with gleeful abandon, how can they be called true Christians? This is what I mean when I say even within “Christianity” there are few Christians.

September 11, 2011 at 11:21 am
(55) Brett says:

But to be clear, I am not of the opinion that Christianity is dying out. If you look at the conversion rates in Africa alone, that opinion becomes ludicrous. But I am under the opinion that true Christians are becoming increasingly rare in modernized Western society. By true Christians, I mean those for whom their religion actually matters. And by matters, I mean that it actually is a vital and expanding part of their life, rather than a series of rituals. Your polls and surveys can only show how many people claim the title of Christian. They cannot show how many live up to its principles. I dare say that percentage would be far smaller. And that smaller percentage IS discriminated against in modern society. I have experienced this personally. Standing up for my beliefs has seen my ostracized, leered at, called “prude”, etc. by my peers in high school. And even in college, friends of mine who call themselves Christian take part in very un-Christian activities that I will not be apart of. And I am treated like the odd one. I take it you do not place very much faith in personal experience as evidence, but since no sociological studies have yet been done to my knowledge about how those who live Christian values are treated, personal experience is what we have to work with.

September 17, 2011 at 2:13 pm
(56) Comala666 says:

I’m atheist and hold myself to high moral standards as well even when my Christian colleagues DO NOT…They most certainly are “TRUE” Christians:

1. I don’t tell homosexuals that they are an abomination and I don’t fill my daughter’s head with ugly stories about how disbelief in exaggerated claims leads to a blowtorch the face for all eternity at the hands of a disgusting sociopath (Yahweh).
2. I am Mexican. I help Mexican women make choices regarding their gynecological health.
3. I find substitutionary atonement to be a grotesque shirking of personal responsibility and a highly immoral stance.
4. I’ve been married to the same man for 17 years which goes above and beyond the statistics for “Christian marriage”.
5. I have never done drugs. Ever.
6. I’ve been at the same job for 14 years.
7. I find that using people’s desperation, misery, hunger, poverty and illiteracy to convert them to your personal cult to be not just immoral, but so repulsive that it triggers the gag reflex, like watching flies feed.
8. I take care of my daughter.
9. I have NEVER sent obnoxious bible verses at work which is a misuse of the company’s email policy.
10. I have never declared, as the Catholic Church has, that the sexual abuse of minors is only pedophilia if it involves children under the age of 10 (See Crimen Solicitationis).

Academia is serious business. If you make statements in class like, “Jesus is Lord”, “Homosexuality is an abomination”, “Jesus was his own father”, “Yahweh sacrificed himself to himself”, “Women should learn in silence”, “Women are saved through child bearing”, “Submission is the way of the Lord”, etc., and can’t defend the bible-based silliness when others take you to task on mythology, misogyny or bigotry, then mockery is the least of your problems.

November 8, 2011 at 10:30 pm
(57) Sue says:

Wow! Upon reading everything on this site tonight I must say it sparked me to share my thoughts.

First: They can take down all the churches, all the crosses, all the symbols, all the Bibles in the whole United States and it won’t make any difference because Jesus Christ lives inside of me and you can’t touch Him there and I don’t need these physical reminders to know He reigns!

Second: Things said here don’t bother me because I took a sneak peek at the end of the Book and “we win”!

Third: Christmas was celebrated with family, in churches all over America from the time there were American’s……right or wrong it doesn’t really matter, what matters is if the other religions want to celebrate and have a party that is fine but pick one of the other 364 days of the year and name it whatever you want to name it, call it “Happy Holiday” that’s ok just pick your own day and leave ours alone. Also, I have an adopted daughter that we never knew her birthday….that doesn’t mean she wasn’t born, so, we picked a birthday for her. Science has tried to prove December 25th as a wrong date and by gum it may be but it is the day Christians choose for the birth of our Savior and if you say you are not discriminating against Christians you should leave our Christmas alone and find your own holiday date!

With Christmas fast approaching I only wish people Merry Christmas that wish me a Merry Christmas, kinda like drawing the fish in the sand.

November 10, 2011 at 9:52 pm
(58) Sue says:

Austin: Is anyone suggesting………………….

Answer: Really?! Davenport vs. American Atheists is happening right now. Discrimination is written all over this court case.

Austin: Problem is, you can’t ……..

Answer: Fact is there has never been a need in my world to use the Bible in this sort of conversation with people who have no reverence for Jesus and no intention of being born again Christians.

Austin: Not really. Many ……..

Answer: It only takes one bad apple to spoil the apple cart!

Austin: Moreover, when Christmas…

Answer; Many Christians today, including myself, still stick to the homemade items, gatherings with family at church and homes and they know the reason for the season.

Austin: Your ignorance…..

Answer: Just like you to go much further back in time. I said America!
Also, such a polite way to state that my opinion really doesn’t matter, which it really doesn’t anyway!

Austin: I hate to break the news to you …

Answer: You are absolutely correct in that statement. Since non-believers got involved they are doing their utmost to turn it back to pagan and call it “happy holidays”! It would be the same as changing the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah…….makes no sense to me but it is definitively aimed at Christmas and in my book that makes it “discrimination”.

Austin: And how, exactly, is…..

Answer: Seems to me that they could be a little more creative in doing their own thing and if they can’t come up with that than they should join us in the celebration of the birth of Jesus. In other words, when in Rome do as the Romans do, and I might add or find a different day!
I don’t judge, don’t criticize, follow the “motto’ live and let live, everyone has a free will to say and do what they choose and I have no right to tell them otherwise. Austin, you are very unique!

November 11, 2011 at 6:19 am
(59) Austin Cline says:

Really?!

Yes, really – cite a single person or organization suggesting what you describe. The case you cite definitely isn’t it.

Davenport vs. American Atheists is happening right now.

No, it’s over. Don’t you get news where you live?

Discrimination is written all over this court case.

Yes – discrimination in favor of Christians and against everyone else. It’s illegal and immoral for the government to favor Christianity over all other religions or beliefs.

Fact is there has never been a need in my world to use the Bible in this sort of conversation

But you did – you cited the Bible.

It only takes one bad apple to spoil the apple cart!

The attitudes I described were the norm; what you experience about Christmas today developed over the past hundred years or so – and much of it only since WWII.

Just like you to go much further back in time. I said America!

And I only cited the history of Christmas in America. It’s your ignorance of the subject that’s the problem, not the time span of events that I cite.

You are absolutely correct in that statement.

Since you admit that there is little about the modern celebration of Christmas that is “Christian,” then you have little basis to complain when non-Christians appropriate it.

Since non-believers got involved they are doing their utmost to turn it back to pagan and call it “happy holidays”!

Actually, the non-Christian elements were all introduced by Christians. Once again, your gross ignorance of the topic rears its ugly head and completely undermines your ability to have an informed, intelligent opinion on the subject.

It would be the same as changing the name of Ramadan or Hanukkah…….

Saying “happy holidays” isn’t “changing” the name of anything. There are lots of holidays being celebrated at that time of year and thus “happy holidays” is a catch-all that be applied broadly.

makes no sense to me

I don’t doubt that.

but it is definitively aimed at Christmas and in my book that makes it “discrimination”.

Only because you can’t make any sense out of what’s going on.

Seems to me that they could be a little more creative in doing their own thing

Christians weren’t, since they appropriated the date and celebrations of another religion.

I don’t judge, don’t criticize

So when you accuse others of discrimination, despite a complete absence of any understanding of what’s going on, that isn’t any sort of judgment or criticism? I doubt that even you believe that lie.

I found this site helping my granddaughter with a research paper on a controversial subject that will eventually change America!

No, you’re not delusional, are you?

November 16, 2011 at 11:25 am
(60) Sue says:

Austin: You’re not delusional are you?

Well, for you to ask you must think I might be and you might be right…..If I am delusional I am happy that way. My life speaks for itself. My 96 year old papa lives with me and the only pill he has ever taken is a vitamin, I have 10 “diamonds in the sand” (grandchildren), and we are all in perfect health. I have many credit cards, all with a zero balance, my home and cars are paid for, I have never missed a meal, I do mostly volunteer work and have an abundance of cash flow to help other people yet I have never held an 8-5 job. I have seen 3 miracles, not sure what you call things that cannot be explained, I am filled with peace and joy and people I know want what I have. I have never met anyone I couldn’t have a cup a coffee with and get along. I forgive things that are meant to hurt me before they even happen. I sleep great and have an abundance of hugs for anyone and everyone. I was married to the same man for 40 years and together we believed that moral issues are taught in the home and not in the government. Christians lost the battle of abortion when they passed the buck to the government to try to make them regulate it. I am not nor ever have been conflict addicted. So, you might be right, I might be delusional but I will live my life that way.

December 13, 2011 at 12:08 am
(61) Jacob says:

By far the greatest argument tactic I have ever
seen,
This entire thread has been the back forth of the
elementary response of “prove it” to any example
a a Christian has brought up followed by
indisputable arguments such as ” that’s not
discrimination and thats only opinion” I would like to
see you “prove it”
As for me I go to a school which tells me that
My contributions such as child care,
entertainment through drama, building houses
for the poor is are not valid to the community
simply because I do it through my Christian
church while the school would not dare do
this to another group for fear of being politically
Incorrect. I go to a school which teaches evolution
and big bang as a fact and if I say otherwise my
grades suffer. I am not supposed to use the word C
Christmas because it’s politically incorrect yet
any other religion may call their holidays by
name and if I told them not to it would
be considered a high form of discrimination
Christians are asked to remove crosses while
at work and may be let go if they don’t comply
Yet Muslims are allowed to wear headscarves
with no consequence . These are some of the
Many forms of discrimination.
Honestly though I argue for no
because you know all I am an ignorant
Christian bigot who knows nothing and you will
argue long after you run out of valid points.

December 13, 2011 at 5:49 am
(62) Austin Cline says:

This entire thread has been the back forth of the
elementary response of “prove it” to any example
a a Christian has brought up followed by
indisputable arguments such as ” that’s not
discrimination and thats only opinion” I would like to
see you “prove it”

If you are going to make allegations of discrimination, shouldn’t you be able to provide evidence and not merely anonymous accusations?

As for me I go to a school which tells me that
My contributions such as child care,
entertainment through drama, building houses
for the poor is are not valid to the community
simply because I do it through my Christian
church

And how, exactly, do they tell you this?

I go to a school which teaches evolution
and big bang as a fact and if I say otherwise my
grades suffer.

And how is it “discrimination” to teach you facts about the world and expect you to learn them?

I am not supposed to use the word C
Christmas because it’s politically incorrect yet
any other religion may call their holidays by
name and if I told them not to it would
be considered a high form of discrimination

And how are you told to not use “Christmas”? What are the exact instructions?

Christians are asked to remove crosses while
at work and may be let go if they don’t comply
Yet Muslims are allowed to wear headscarves
with no consequence .

Can you cite specific rules?

I suspect not.

December 13, 2011 at 4:50 pm
(63) Jacob says:

And how, exactly, do they tell you this?

I am going for the honors diploma which requires community service which I have many hours of but because it was done through my church it doesn’t count and I must take time away from service through the organization of my choice in order to serve somewhere else.

And how is it “discrimination” to teach you facts about the world and expect you to learn them?

It is discrimination to teach theory as fact and say others theories are ignorant. Last time I checked it was Theory of Evolution and Big Bang Theory meaning they aren’t 100% proven and therefore not fact. If they aren’t fact then there are other possibilities which deserve to be taught and learned in the same way. If creation and other theories about the earth were taught and expected to be known then it wouldn’t be discrimination because it would be considered understanding the views of others. The current system dismisses my views as ignorant and ignores them. If I have to learn your beliefs you should have to learn mine.

And how are you told to not use “Christmas”? What are the exact instructions?

Can you cite specific rules?

As for this question the thing you are looking for is called a PRECEDENT.
Precedent is not an official law but is an unspoken rule or an example set
to follow. Precedents can have long lasting effects such as Washington’s precedent of a two term presidency. There was no law against more than two terms yet this precedent lasted nearly 150 years before FDR broke it which was followed by a law prohibing it. It isn’t even a full blown precedent not to say Christmas, I will admit that, but it is certainly a movement being heavily pressed for and gaining momentum. Oppression doesn’t occur overnight. It takes years for laws to be made but we are headed in that direction.

December 13, 2011 at 5:12 pm
(64) Austin Cline says:

I am going for the honors diploma which requires community service which I have many hours of but because it was done through my church it doesn’t count and I must take time away from service through the organization of my choice in order to serve somewhere else.

Is there some reason why your church should be a credited venue of community service?

It is discrimination to teach theory as fact and say others theories are ignorant.

Evolution is a fact. Do you comprehend what “theory” means in science? You don’t appear to.

The current system dismisses my views as ignorant and ignores them.

Is it possible that the system is correct? After all, you display ignorance of what evolution is and what “theory” is in science.

As for this question the thing you are looking for is called a PRECEDENT.

No, I’m looking for the rules – for who told you to not use “Christmas”. Since you can’t point to any such rule, formal or informal, basic honesty requires that you retract your allegation. But will you?

Please read too long to post on here but very good example.

I’m already familiar with the first case. It was a legitimate case of inappropriate dismissal until the evidence was released that the teacher was promoting his religion in the classroom. Then he deserved to be fired. The second case is the opposite of what you claim because the woman was vindicated in a ruling that said the rules need not be interpreted so narrowly.

As I said earlier Christians still have many rights but there is a strong sentiment to strip all rights and eventually move to oppression.

And you can’t point to a single example of that.

Christians are trying to stand for their rights before its to late.

More often, they are trying to stand for taking away the rights of others.

In Nazi Germany Jews were upheld as good citizens and it only took one bad turn of events and a new leader to set in motion the largest most infamous genocide in history.

A leader whose polices were based in Christianity.

December 13, 2011 at 4:51 pm
(65) Jacob says:

A Few Specific Examples:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/19/florida-teacher-suspended-for-facebook-entry-opposing-ny-gay-marriage-law/

Please read too long to post on here but very good example. This as ridiculous as if you were a teacher suspended for this thread posted on your personal computer because Christian students in the classroom might feel threatened. This is not only discrimination but a blatant breech in First Amendment Rights of freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261313/Christians-discriminated-treated-disrespect-senior-bishops-warn.html

Also another prime example of discrimination how can one article of religious affiliation be with the uniform while another receives suspension.

As I said earlier Christians still have many rights but there is a strong sentiment to strip all rights and eventually move to oppression. We still have it very easy but these things don’t happen overnight and it is moving that way. Christians are trying to stand for their rights before its to late. A silent majority will very easily be put under the tyranny of an outspoken minority.

December 13, 2011 at 4:52 pm
(66) Jacob says:

Patterns leading to oppression can be easily traced through history and it will happen to Christians if they don’t stand.

A Few Examples:
In ancient Egypt, Israelites began to “assimilate” into Egyptian culture and became comfortable. When Egypt realized Israelites had become a majority they enslaved them and dominated them for 400 years.

The same happened in Jerusalem and its exile to Babylon and Assyria in both cases Judah allowed neighboring countries to assimilate in their own and became comfortable. They allowed their culture to be changed by Babylon and Assyria and were then vulnerable and became enslaved to them.

In Nazi Germany Jews were upheld as good citizens and it only took one bad turn of events and a new leader to set in motion the largest most infamous genocide in history.

In every other case of genocide it starts out as small differences of opinion and small compromises of rights and eventually it leads to oppression and genocide.

Majority never rules in a tyranny it is always minority this is why when rights of majority Christians begin to be taken away there is an outcry lest history repeat itself.

December 13, 2011 at 5:41 pm
(67) Jacob says:

Evolution is a fact. Do you comprehend what “theory” means in science? You don’t appear to.

If a house built by a church doesn’t have as much validity as a house built by any other organization then it is obvious discrimination.

Is it possible that the system is correct? After all, you display ignorance of what evolution is and what “theory” is in science.

Until you tell me where the first molecule which triggered the formation of the universe as well as complex delicate system of life which is our earth magically appeared from your assertion of Big Bang has no more validity than my belief of a Creator who created the earth with purpose. Christianity is viewed as ignorance because it can’t explain the earths beginning without saying God was always there yet “scientific fact” can’t explain its origins without saying something was always there. Is it possible that you don’t understand fact requires absolute explanation.

As far as Christmas vs. happy holidays or any other expression it would be considered absolute discrimination to say to someone I’m a Christian you should say Merry Christmas to me not happy holidays yet it is socially acceptable to tell me I shouldn’t say Merry Christmas because some don’t believe in it which I have been told and have seen many be told to say thats not a precedent is an absolute lie. To tell airports to take down Christmas decorations for fear of offending people is ridiculous it is decoration and a freedom of expression which should not be disputed.

As for the “self-righteousness” of Christians’ as an excuse for disrespecting Christians’ as a group which I have seen discussed in this thread it is no different than you assuming a condescending position against me for believing life has purpose found in Christ.

December 13, 2011 at 6:15 pm
(68) Austin Cline says:

If a house built by a church doesn’t have as much validity as a house built by any other organization then it is obvious discrimination.

Not necessarily. It depends on the context.

I notice you don’t even try to answer the question. I’ll have to take it, then, as a “no, I have no idea what “theory” means in science and thus have no basis for anything I wrote.”

Until you tell me where the first molecule which triggered the formation of the universe as well as complex delicate system of life which is our earth magically appeared from your assertion of Big Bang has no more validity than my belief of a Creator who created the earth with purpose.

Nope, you have no idea how science works. It’s not necessary to have certain knowledge of every event in order to have strong evidence that one particular sequence of events occurred. An absence of knowledge of every event does not mean that every possible claim is equally valid.

Christianity is viewed as ignorance because it can’t explain the earths beginning without saying God was always there

No, it’s ignorance because it proposes “explanations” that explain nothing and not accord with the evidence.

As far as Christmas vs. happy holidays or any other expression it would be considered absolute discrimination to say to someone I’m a Christian you should say Merry Christmas to me not happy holidays

No, it wouldn’t.

yet it is socially acceptable to tell me I shouldn’t say Merry Christmas because some don’t believe in it

Yes, it’s arrogant and presumptuous for you to simply assume that every random stranger celebrates all the same religious holidays that you do.

To tell airports to take down Christmas decorations for fear of offending people is ridiculous

Fortunately, airports are told to take them down when the decorations illegally single out Christianity and Christian beliefs for special endorsement.

it is decoration and a freedom of expression which should not be disputed.

FYI, “freedom of expression” is a right which individuals have, not a right which government institutions have. You, as an individual citizen, have a right to express yourself so long as you are acting as an individual citizen. Government institutions have no such right; on the contrary, they are restrained by the Constitution to remain neutral in matters of religion. This means not promoting anyone’s religion.

December 13, 2011 at 7:55 pm
(69) Jacob says:

Since you didn’t even try and respond to my statement I will assume you know nothing on the issue. Until you tell me where the first molecule which triggered the formation of the universe as well as complex delicate system of life which is our earth magically appeared from your assertion of Big Bang has no more validity than my belief of a Creator who created the earth with purpose. There is no valid evidence supporting the begining of the molecule which is what all of “scientific” theory (As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena. Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts. (http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html an anti-creation website) stands upon. There is no experimental evidence or rational which explains the natural phenomana of the molecule.

“Nope, you have no idea how science works. It’s not necessary to have certain knowledge of every event in order to have strong evidence that one particular sequence of events occurred. An absence of knowledge of every event does not mean that every possible claim is equally valid.”

December 13, 2011 at 8:10 pm
(70) Austin Cline says:

Since you didn’t even try and respond to my statement I will assume you know nothing on the issue.

I did, liar: It’s not necessary to have certain knowledge of every event in order to have strong evidence that one particular sequence of events occurred. An absence of knowledge of every event does not mean that every possible claim is equally valid.

If you’re going to lie about a response that was obviously there, nothing you have written about your experiences can be trusted. You’re a liar for Jesus, nothing more, and so no more of your comments will be published here.

January 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm
(71) Truth says:

What a load of bulls**t. Christians are persecuted and privileged no more than anyone else. Our laws don’t provide special privileges for Christians. Any “special treatment” given to them is a result of other Christians doing so purely through social interaction. And this happens in reverse within communities who dislike Christians as well. Just look at how much Christianity is made fun of in the media along with gays, Muslims, blacks, sluts, gamblers, lawyers and every other label you can put on people. Social discrimination (which YOU and everyone else do daily whether you admit to it or not) is a natural part of life. You see something different and you don’t like it as much as things you’re used to. Congratulations, you’re a homo sapien and, according to this author, also a bigot. What a dips**t.

January 22, 2012 at 10:18 am
(72) Austin Cline says:

Our laws don’t provide special privileges for Christians.

They have in the past and there are still remnants of those laws on the books. Or didn’t you know that atheists are barred from public office in several states still?

Do you even know what social privilege is? I doubt it. I don’t think you understand the topic at all.

January 31, 2012 at 2:13 pm
(73) Lilly Munster says:

Notice how ALL of the so called “christians” here, go immediately to scorn, belligerance and name calling? Almost every argument they make is about…..Controll Issues…..theirs. Their bad behavior has caught up with them, and now they have to endure equality (they really, really hate gays, don’t they?) not superiority. If they cannot stand the loss of their privlidges, their so called “faith” has no validity without the tyranny.

January 31, 2012 at 5:52 pm
(74) Grandpa_In_The_East says:

Truth says:

“Just look at how much Christianity is made fun of in the media along with gays, Muslims, blacks, sluts, gamblers, lawyers and every other label you can put on people.”

This says more about you than you will ever know. May I please call you a “dipstick?”

Discussing Christianity along with gays, blacks, sluts, gamblers, lawyers and every other label you can put on people actually raises the Christian image. Don’t you think? What would Jesus think? Read your Bible.

Grandpa

P.S. I quite taking my local paper years ago because they had a propensity for peddling Christianity on their editiorial pages and elsewhere in the news. And, of course, I don’t support “The Boy Scouts of America,’ either because they practice and THEREFORE teach descrimination.

January 31, 2012 at 10:17 pm
(75) JTL says:

I have a different type of comment this time:

Why is it that Christians and Republicans exhibit atrocious grammatical errors when they submit comments?

If you’ll notice, atheists have a superior command of the English language.

Democrats appear to have a firm grasp of language, too.

Why is that? LOL.

February 27, 2012 at 10:03 pm
(76) Ally says:

Hey, I’m Agnostic (and I actually do know the difference between being Atheist and agnostic) and I do see discrimination against Christians here and there, particularly in academic communities. However, it is not serious. I still can’t stand it when someone says Christians are all bible-thumping idiots. We don’t like to be called baby killers, so why should we have the right to call them idiots? They made their own decision, just like we made our decision to be atheist or agnostic. It may have to do with the fact that I was raised by a Christian family that was the best family I could ask for. As they put it after I told them I was no longer a Christian ” Your religion is only part of it. It’s just what you decide to do with it.” So, on both sides, there is a fair amount of discrimination for each other. They do not receive discrimination in most communities, but the Atheists that spend their time on the Internet bitching about how much Christians suck aren’t exactly quenching the flames.

April 14, 2012 at 2:28 pm
(77) lee says:

Hmm, I wonder if Austin are brave enough to critisize musilum instead of christain. Acturlly I don’t really think that you really understand the Bible, eventhough you said that you read it. Maybe you are just not spiritual enough to understand it. There’s something deeper than the words you read.

April 16, 2012 at 7:17 am
(78) Austin Cline says:

Hmm, I wonder if Austin are brave enough to critisize musilum instead of christain.

There is lots of such criticism here. No more than a minute or two of looking would reveal it.

Obviously you didn’t put in even that much effort. So, no, I don’t think you really “wonder” anything of the sort. It’s just a lie.

Acturlly I don’t really think that you really understand the Bible, eventhough you said that you read it.

Then you should be able to show how.

January 18, 2013 at 12:22 pm
(79) Guy Morgan says:

I look forward to the day when all religion is deemed illegal. So when the bible thumpers are walking the streets they get approached by the police like drug pushers. Religion is just as toxic as Meth and Heroin.

April 3, 2013 at 4:18 am
(80) ProudChristian Brendan Mackereth says:

When atheists compare Christians to “retards” (which is more offensive to the mentally handicapped), constantly bashing us for our beliefs, calling us names and some going as far as wanting to remove any trace of our existence in the modern world, THAT is discrimination

Me calling a gay person a fag for his sexual orientation would be discrimination
Me calling a black person a n*gger for his skin color would be discrimination
Me calling a Christian mentally challenged for believing in God would be discrimination

Just because you have the “right” to ridicule our beliefs, doesn’t mean it is NOT discrimination

April 3, 2013 at 6:05 am
(81) Austin Cline says:

When atheists compare Christians to “retards”ť (which is more offensive to the mentally handicapped), constantly bashing us for our beliefs, calling us names and

That’s not discrimination. It’s rude. It’s arguably bigoted. But it’s not discrimination.

some going as far as wanting to remove any trace of our existence in the modern world, THAT is discrimination

Cite a single person trying to remove all trace of Christians from the modern world. You won’t succeed.

Lying like that not only doesn’t help your case, but proves that you’re deluded.

Me calling a gay person a fag for his sexual orientation would be discrimination

No, it’s not. It’s homophobic and bigoted. It’s not discrimination.

Me calling a black person a nigger for his skin color would be discrimination

No, it’s not. It’s racist and bigoted. It’s not discrimination.

Me calling a Christian mentally challenged for believing in God would be discrimination

No, it’s not. It’s rude and perhaps bigoted. It’s not discrimination.

Just because you have the “right” to ridicule our beliefs, doesn’t mean it is NOT discrimination

No, because insulting someone is not a form of discrimination. It may be rude. It may be an expression of bigotry and hate.

It’s not, however, an act of discrimination.

April 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm
(82) Jim says:

You sir are a fool.

April 17, 2013 at 4:59 am
(83) Grandpa In The East says:

I don’t think Christians are mentally challenged. I think they lack the moral courage to face reality.

Grandpa

September 10, 2013 at 11:18 am
(84) John says:

The fact that this writer made the implication that Christians are only upset because of-his words-Christians are losing the privileges they once enjoyed. Is in itself a twisting of the facts. And how come every time to illustrate their point they link the civil rights struggle of African Americans to what is going on today. If you actually took the time to research the civil rights struggle of African Americans in America you will see that blacks where denied basic rights like voting. Blacks were segregated into what I would call reservations, or Ghettos as they were called then. Digging even further you discover that there was an organized effort to bring blacks to America and other places to work in labor camps. There were other injustices as well I can go on and on. What happened to blacks during this time is what constitutes discrimination. To my knowledge I have yet to see or hear about any gay individual denied the right to vote, I don’t see homosexuals segregated as blacks were, I also do not recall homosexuals rounded up, sold, and transported to another country and forced into labor camps. To even equate the two is an affront to African Americans past and present-which ironically is more discrimination directed at blacks.

September 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm
(85) Austin Cline says:

And how come every time to illustrate their point they link the civil rights struggle of African Americans to what is going on today.

Because gays have been denied equal civil rights. It’s pretty simple, really, and the fact that the two groups weren’t denied the exact same civil rights in the exact same way doesn’t change things.

September 27, 2013 at 2:53 pm
(86) Etharzi Ors says:

As a 7-year non-Christian in America, I feel that Christians are the ones who do the most disctiminating. As a majority, they seem to feel entitled to being unarguably righteous. It is a large hypocrisy to openly discriminate, then complain about being discriminated against. What less could a highly offensive biased group expect? I run a popular Satanist page, where we keep to ourselves and avoid open blasphemy of other religious groups (ex: going a page of another religion and expressing our disapproval), but it notice that often Christians come to my page to criticise what I believe. This disappoints me. I respect all others’ beliefs and do not denounce these beliefs to the faces of the believers, but not even the Christians that I see often know how to convey logic or practice diplomacy. Just the mere fact that there is another religion out there disgusts the average Christian. I even see Christians offended when I take a defensive stance against their barbaric assaults. This is my complaint. Christianity is fine to me, as any religion, but I would only hardly approve of a Satanist if their actions often included arguing religion and confronting Christians. I feel the same way about Christians, I even have Christian friends, but the difference is that they are all diplomatic and generally peaceful with the various other religions around them.

February 20, 2014 at 3:28 pm
(87) Ryan says:

I only have time to point out the deceivers. Here you go liars.

http://christianpersecutioninamerica.com/are-christians-really-persecuted-in-america/

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