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The Catholic Church in Nazi Germany (Book Notes: Pope Benedict XVI)

By May 24, 2006

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Nazi Germany was responsible for some of the most horrific acts of the twentieth century, if not of all human history. Germany was at the time a very Christian nation with large numbers of both Protestants and Catholics. How did they reconcile their religion with Nazism? How did the churches go along with the Nazi government?

In Pope Benedict XVI: A Biography of Joseph Ratzinger, John L. Allen Jr. writes about the relationship between the Catholic Church and the Nazi Party: Pope Benedict XVI: A Biography of Joseph Ratzinger

Many ordinary Catholics objected to attacks on their church, but there was simply no opposition to Nazism tout ensemble. ... In fact, there were key points at which Nazi and Catholic attitudes intersected and created a basis for mutual support. Both groups hated the Weimar Republic. The Nazis opposed Weimar because it was allegedly too Jewish and led by the “November Criminals” who sold out the country after the First World War; Catholics objected to it because it smacked of liberalism, sexual degeneracy, and an irreligious spirit.

Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, gave a speech in May 1933 in which he expressed thanks for the Volksgemeinschaft, or spirit of community, which Hitler had fostered, and rejected “liberal individualism.” Moreover, Catholics shared with Nazis an instinctive fear of the Bolsheviks.

Finally, there was a form of anti-Jewish sentiment that was openly accepted among Catholics, based in part on the theological argument that the Jews sinned by rejecting Christ and in part on the historical fact that many Jews had played leading roles in the Kulturkampf. As early as 1925, a Franciscan priest named Erhard Schuland wrote a book called “Katholizismus und Vaterland” (Catholicism and Fatherland) that called on Germans to fight “the destructive influence of the Jews in religion, morality, literature and art, and political and social life.” Schuland expressed what was very much the consensus in German Catholicism of the day...

Support for the Nazis, their social policies, and their anti-Semitism was not limited to ordinary Catholics and a few random priests:

Archbishop Konrad Gröber of Freiburg was known as the “Brown Bishop” because he was such an enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis. In 1933, he became a “sponsoring member” of the SS. After the war, however, he claimed to have been such an opponent of the Nazis that they had planned to crucify him on the door for the Freiburg Cathedral.

Bishop Wilhlem Berning of Osnabrück sat with the Deutsche Christen Reichsbishop in the Prussian State Council from 1933 to 1945, a clear signal of support for the Nazi regime.

Cardinal Bertram also had some affinity for the Nazis. In 1933, for example, he refused to intervene on behalf of Jewish merchants who were the targets of Nazi boycotts, saying that they were a group “which has no very close bond with the church.”

Bishop Buchberger of Regensburg called Nazi racism directed at Jews “justified self-defense” in the face of “overly powerful Jewish capital.”

Bishop Hilfrich of Limburg said that they true Christian religion “made its way not from the Jews but in spite of them.”

Because the Catholic leadership did not consistently oppose the Nazi policies, it was relatively easy for the Nazis to co-opt the Catholic churches in their effort to round up and exterminate the Jews. A large number of Jews converted to Christianity in order to avoid persecution and the only way the Nazis found them out was because of the help of Catholic authorities:

After April 7, 1933, civil servants in Germany were required to prove that they were not Jews. Because births had been registered by the state only since 1874, the church was called upon to provide many records. The Catholic church cooperated right up to the end of the war. Likewise, after the 1935 Nüremberg laws that forbade marriage between Aryans and non-Aryans, most Catholic priests did not perform such ceremonies, even though the number of Jewish conversions to Catholicism was accelerating because of the persecution.

Yes, right up until the end of the war, Catholic clergy were actively assisting the Nazi program of racial purification. They provided detailed records of who converted and who didn't, who married and Jew and who didn't. When two people wanted to marry, Catholic priests enforced Nazi race laws against Aryans being allowed to marry non-Aryans. The Nazis' agenda of racial discrimination and purification would not have worked without the active, willing, and eager cooperation of Christian churches.

After the war, the Allies tried to rely on Catholic clergy to help them in their program of de-Nazification of the government. That was a mistake — Catholic assistance to the Nazis hadn't ended when the Nazis surrendered. Catholic bishops realized that eliminating all Nazis would leave Communists and Social Democrats in charge and they concluded that that would be worse than having the Nazis in power — so they basically lied to the Allies. Unrepentant Nazis were returned to positions of authority over the German people because Catholic clergy gave them a clean bill of political and ideological health.

Eventually the Allies grew wise to the Catholic duplicity and stopped relying on the word of priests about whether someone had been a Nazi. That is the legacy of the Catholic Church from Nazi Germany: not resistance, but cooperation; not the defense of principle but the defense of social power.

 

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Comments
September 16, 2008 at 6:05 am
(1) John smith says:

Your a Nazi. no argument. your just some atheist catholic hater freak who things for some demented reason that all Hindus, Christian, Jews and muslims, should convert to Atheism. do you thing that those Nazi officers and soldiers that killed thousands of Jews believed in god ? Do you think they would have killed all those people if they truly believed they would burn in hell for idernity. 96 clergy who died at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

Your an idiot

September 16, 2008 at 6:55 am
(2) Austin Cline says:

Your a Nazi. no argument. your just some atheist catholic hater freak who things for some demented reason that all Hindus, Christian, Jews and muslims, should convert to Atheism.

Feel free to substantiate your accusations.

You don’t seem to like what I have written, but for some reason you don’t bother to explain what you think was wrong and why.

do you thing that those Nazi officers and soldiers that killed thousands of Jews believed in god ?

Given how few atheists there were in German society at the time, then even if there had been no oppression of atheist organizations and all atheists had specifically volunteered for concentration camp duty (i.e., no atheists elsewhere doing other duties), then there still wouldn’t have been enough.

And it’s millions of Jews who were killed, not thousands.

Do you think they would have killed all those people if they truly believed they would burn in hell for idernity.

Why do you assume that Christians treated such treatment of Jews as a sin? Christians had been persecuting and killing Jews for centuries in Europe; most Nazi policies on the Jews were in fact patterned after medieval Catholic laws.

96 clergy who died at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

Yes, some clergy were killed in the camps, but very few were in the camps for protesting the treatment of Jews.

Your an idiot

And why do you think I’m an idiot? It appears that I know quite a bit more about Nazi Germany and Nazi policies than you.

February 21, 2011 at 1:08 pm
(3) john says:

very few jews were killed in concentration camps. over all all it was war and peoples get killed during war wat is new in it ..hollocaust is a propoganda.jews propogate these things to defend themselves for their own benifit.adolf was a great commander and we should love him.seig heil…….heil hitler

September 19, 2008 at 3:25 pm
(4) John Hanks says:

Most “isms” exploit people who were beaten, neglected and yelled at as children. Nazism and Catholicism feed on the same weaknesses. Some atheists do so as well.

September 19, 2008 at 4:03 pm
(5) Todd says:

“Your a Nazi”

His Nazi what? This sentence makes no sense. Which makes about as much sense as the rest of your blithering.

“no argument. your just some atheist catholic hater freak who things for some demented reason that all Hindus, Christian, Jews and muslims, should convert to Atheism.”

Austin’s the picture of tolerance. He’s polite even to halfwits like you. Me? Not so tolerant.

Don’t mistake being critical of something for hatred. He’s also a much better speller than you. Were you home schooled? There’s no such thing as converting to atheism. It’s not a dogma that one can join or adhere to. Atheism is capitalized ONLY when it is the first word of a sentence, like this sentence.

“do you thing that those Nazi officers and soldiers that killed thousands of Jews believed in god?”

Do you hab a code? Id dat why you thinG dees things?

Yes, they believed in your god. It was on their belt buckles: Gott mit uns. That means “god is with us (is on our side)”. They believed they were doing god’s work… kinda like Bush does.

“Do you think they would have killed all those people if they truly believed they would burn in hell for idernity.”

Does your mom know you’re getting online by yourself? Download and use a web browser called Firefox. It has a built in spell check that will help you look LESS childish.

Or are you a troll?

“96 clergy who died at Sachsenhausen concentration camp.”

And? Clergy killed how many red headed women as being witches?

“Your an idiot”

His idiot what?

YOU’RE not using YOUR spell checker. ‘You’re’ is a contraction for ‘you are’. ‘Your’ is possessive.

September 19, 2008 at 11:00 pm
(6) Tom Edgar says:

Todd,
I was going to be a lot more polite to poor semi literate John Smith. Except for the name,I thought, just maybe, he could be using English as a second language, but on reflection, with the abysmally poor standard of education in America, I guess English could be considered such.

John Smith. (you really should capitalise your own Surname.)

The first requirement necessary to qualify for being an atheist is the ability to think for one’s self. It doesn’t really need academic qualifications. You cannot be a member of the “Atheists” there is no such entity. Yes there are groups and affiliations, by some, in like minded groups but no central or defining organisation.

So your accusation that atheists are trying to convert others is rather silly, childish in fact.

Adolf Hitler was brought up and never renounced his Catholicism, neither did Herman Goering, Hess, and many others of the hierarchy. In 1939. Germany was approximately 75/80% R C,the balance Lutheran, Jewish and other minorities.

My Father was one of the first Allied soldiers into the “Concentration Camps”.liberating the inmates.
I was also involved in that war. I can assure you. You do NOT know of what you write.

Nazi troops always had a “Chaplain” with them,as did the Allies. All blessing, and invoking one God or another, to protect us whilst they killed the others. Not unlike the hypocritical actions taking place daily in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mr Smith. If that be your true name. May I suggest that if you don’t wish to be seen as a fool. Keep your pen away from paper as you have dispelled all doubt.

tomedgar@halenet.com.au

November 30, 2008 at 11:29 am
(7) M. Simon says:

If you have it in for the Nazis you should have it in for Saddam. He was a Nazi disciple. Baath Party. You can look it up.

Mein Kampf is still a best seller in the Middle East. You can look it up.

Now once the proto Nazi was taken out the US became responsible for setting up a viable government. Now that the process is well in hand an exit plan is going into effect.

Now ole Saddam was thick into the WTC bombing of ’93 (an act of war) so the USA had some legit grievances with the guy. The fact that he didn’t get his just deserts until 10 years later doesn’t erase the facts.

November 30, 2008 at 11:44 am
(8) Austin Cline says:

Did you have something relevant and on-topic to say, Simon, or do you use every post you see as a launching pad for rants about Saddam Hussein?

December 5, 2008 at 1:06 pm
(9) Lorna says:

Austin, on which sources are you basing your views expressed in the second to last paragraph? It would really help me with my university work if I could get a source for your viewpoints!
Your blog is excellent, I have also used various articles about atheism in school (I studied philosphy) and came across this for my uni work too!
many thanks, keep up the good work:-)

December 5, 2008 at 1:20 pm
(10) Austin Cline says:

Lorna: it’s been quite a while since I wrote this, but I believe I was relying on the same book that I’m quoting. I’d have to find it again and look in order to be sure, though.

February 9, 2009 at 5:05 pm
(11) Jerry says:

Austin,

Yes well explained—you forget to write that the nazi party was only one element against jews at that period—Michael Collins, Franco, Mussolini, Portugueses leader were all fighting the communists and jews—under the auspices of catholic church…

Remember the British and New Zealanders wanted to flatten Rome at end of war—they couldnt because of the no of catholics etc in American armed forces

April 16, 2009 at 9:23 am
(12) irineu says:

some have brain others religion….

September 3, 2009 at 6:10 am
(13) Joe says:

You see, Adolf Hilter, and the Nazi party for that matter, were very good at using propaganda.

You too my atheist friend, are very good at using Propaganda. Suggesting that the Catholic Church particpated and co-operated in all the ills of the Nazi regime – you should be ashamed.

I find the way you leave out information that doesn’t help you cause quite bias on your behalf. How about all the actions of the Catholic Church, for isntance the denunciation of the Euthanasia program by a Catholic Bishop in 1941 that resulted in a temporary seizure of that program?

Two things.

1) Stop trying to position the Catholic Church as something bad, evil and hateful. – You obviously are not aware of all the hope and joy it gives to people in the world – and also the charity, education and social relief it provides to jews, muslims, black and whites alike.

2) Try have some faith, with a little, you may come to know the wonders of God. ATM You’re just spreading atheist garbage and propaganda.

Now I’ll let you get back to your endless quest of blaming a God you don’t believe in. (Or do you?)

September 3, 2009 at 6:50 am
(14) Austin Cline says:

You see, Adolf Hilter, and the Nazi party for that matter, were very good at using propaganda.

So is the Catholic Church.

You too my atheist friend, are very good at using Propaganda.

Feel free to show how, if you can.

Suggesting that the Catholic Church particpated and co-operated in all the ills of the Nazi regime – you should be ashamed.

I never said that any church participated and cooperated in all the crimes of the Nazi regime. The Catholic Church, however, did participate and cooperate in some. Individual Catholics participated and cooperated in far more.

If you are going to disagree with someone, you might want to check yourself to be sure you’re actually disagreeing with a position they hold. You look incredibly foolish when you try to contradict something they have never said.

I find the way you leave out information that doesn’t help you cause

This is another error of yours: this article isn’t pursuing a “cause,” it’s simply trying to inform people about some information that they might not know about. There is no time, space, or need to include every bit of information that happened during the Nazi regime.

1) Stop trying to position the Catholic Church as something bad, evil and hateful.

I will when the Catholic Church stops doing bad, evil, and hateful things. Deal?

2) Try have some faith, with a little, you may come to know the wonders of God.

Is there any particular reason why I should have faith in your deity?

ATM You’re just spreading atheist garbage and propaganda.

That’s a pretty serious accusation. Can you back it up, or is it your intention to demonstrate how much better you are than me by anonymously posting unsupported accusations which you cannot or will not defend?

Now I’ll let you get back to your endless quest of blaming a God you don’t believe in. (Or do you?)

I have never blamed any gods for anything. Once again, it appears that when you lack any actual positions of mine to attack, you feel comfortable with making up a falsehood to attribute to me so you can attack that.

When the defenders of Catholicism have to lie about the critics of Catholicism as part of their defense, I think it’s pretty clear that not only is the defense doomed, but the criticism is all the more justified.

September 15, 2009 at 3:33 pm
(15) MrMarkAZ says:

Joe @ #12:

So where, exactly, do you think anti-Semitism — you know, the whole “the Jews are money-grubbing Christ-killers” bullsh*t — came from? You think it was something Hitler just made up? Have you ever even attempted to study European history?

September 15, 2009 at 4:36 pm
(16) Zayla says:

Actually, the Catholic Church is bad, evil and hateful. (not Catholics, the RCC)

If you want, I’ll go into the whole rant, but the only way you stay in it, is to be an unobjective RC apologist, otherwise, stay away.

September 15, 2009 at 5:25 pm
(17) AtheistGeophysicistBob says:

John Smith (1) and Joe (12). Hitler was never excommunicated or even threatened with excommunication. Only one (1) of the high-ranking Catholic Nazis, Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Propaganda Minister, was excommunicated; he was excommunicated for marrying a Protestant woman. Please comment.

September 15, 2009 at 5:56 pm
(18) Tom Edgar says:

Not all Nazis were Catholics, some were Lutheran.
Not all Catholics were Nazis. In Italy they were predominantly Fascists. Those that weren’t were in opposition, and were called Communists, presumably most of them atheists.

Maybe this is why the predominantly Christian/Fascist/Capitalist elements in American society always refers to any dissenter as being Pinkie, Communist, Godless, regardless of what their actual political or ideological persuasion may be.

September 15, 2009 at 6:02 pm
(19) John Hanks says:

The catholic church declined in France because many priests were collaborators.

September 15, 2009 at 7:14 pm
(20) Tom Edgar says:

I know many Catholics and other Christians, most are people of integrity and kindness whom I love dearly.

However…. Absolutism. Conform or be condemned,
Supreme authority, anti Jew, World domination, the list is endless. Now to whom am I referring? Nazism or Catholicism. Not surprising really, the ideology of the former had its roots in the latter.
Even the methods are similar. Indoctrination from the cradle, repetitive assertions of moral, physical and ideological superiority. To a less structured degree this attitude prevails in the U S A today, especially in the illiberal, evangelical, deeply patriotic,anti democratic, Bible Bashing Boondooks.

September 15, 2009 at 8:08 pm
(21) AtheistGeophysicistBob says:

Tom Edgar (17). You are correct. I have to occasionally remind my Lutheran wife that some Nazis were members of her denomenation .

September 15, 2009 at 8:25 pm
(22) Zack says:

Austin is the wind beneath my wings.

September 16, 2009 at 2:39 am
(23) Tom Edgar says:

AGB.

Thank you. I’m not sure how high in the Third Reich the influence of the Lutheran denomination was, but I do know it wasn’t in the highest echelons. For all that I think that Hitler himself, although a Catholic, would never really trust anybody who espoused a strong allegiance to another organisation’ leaders. He had less fear of Pius than the fear Pius ever had of him.

Impiously I imagine he thought.
“Once inside the Pearlie Gates I’ll be in charge.” Won’t make a lot of difference anyway

John Hanks 18. There was a much greater decline in Rabbis in the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic third Reich for different reasons.

September 16, 2009 at 11:39 am
(24) AtheistGeophysicistBob says:

“I BELIEVE!!” I believe that John smith (1) and Joe (12) preached and ran!

September 17, 2009 at 6:48 pm
(25) Robert says:

Austin, your overview of the relationship between The Catholic Church and the National Socialists in Germany is historically accurate no matter how desperately Joe the Catholic wishes he could bully you into believing Catholic propaganda. My MA is in history & in the WWII classes I have had (including The Holocaust) we discussed how Pope Pius XII was an ardent anti-Communist which led him to work with the Nazi and Fascist regimes of the day. Surely Joe knows about the Catholic Rat Line that aided fleeing Nazi fugitives in evading capture using the authority of the Catholic Church to shield these war criminals and forge them new ID papers. Joe should start with John Cornwell’s book on the subject, “Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII” & maybe take a few history classes at a non-Catholic school to broaden his education. I wonder if Joe can answer why the Vatican has kept a 75-year lock on papal documents preventing researchers from viewing the Catholic Church’s files. John Cornwell was allowed partial access but what is the Vatican hiding?

September 18, 2009 at 12:26 am
(26) Tom Edgar says:

You don’t even have to wait for WW2. There are plenty of archival photographs showing the Italian Troops being Priestly blessed prior to their departure to Abyssinia to kill the natives in the 30′s. each and every one of the Fascists a Roman Catholic.

October 8, 2009 at 9:29 pm
(27) Cassie says:

Hey Austin,
First of all good job on the article! It really brings in a different side to a part of History that most people would have not considered.
Anyhow, I was wondering how I could contact you? Per mail would be great. I just have a few questions regarding this article as I am doing a project on something similar for school. It would be great if you wrote back asap.
:)

February 17, 2010 at 8:57 pm
(28) Fratzinger says:

It’s easy to rant about the misdeeds of other troubled lands and condemn them as barbarian subhumans for all eternity… but I see these attitudes as nothing more than residual seething hatred and hostility in a rivalry which, ultimately, is between equals of the same sort… fascists all… Brits, Russians, Americans, Germans, Frenchmen, Spaniards, Italians, Jews, Catholics, communists, imperialists… no difference… unless the racist Anglo-Franco-Hispano-fascist-imperialist hippocrites think that exploiting/eradicating continents of indigenous peoples from Africa to Australasia to the Americas is a lesser crime than that of the Germans in Poland and Ukrainia… only a racist could think that.
Being a witness to the unsurpassed propaganda machine which exercises the American nation to wars to end all wars be it WWI or Iraq, Vietnam, Panama or the Phillipines, it’s quite ludicrous that Americans, of all peoples with their imperialist history via slavery and Jim Crowe laws, should have the audacity to pass judgement over other nations…. same goes for Brits, Australians, and any and all anglo nations, considering that they still span the globe imperialistically on territories plundered and stolen from native peoples… the same cannot be said of Germans…. yet somehow the latter stand accused, the former are self-anointed heroes? Racism, 6 million died in gas chambers? Perhaps those RSF soap bars and the lampshades of propaganda fame too are still being auctioned off on E-Bay? Forked-tongued liars, swindlers, con-men who float worthless derivatives from their perches on Manhatten high-rises feel far too secure otherwise they’d think twice about the hot air they spout and the unexamined lives they lead… the fact is that the October Revolution in Russia was a true bloodbath which eventually gave the world Stalin and orchestrated famines, as well as a half-century of serfdom led by autocratic power-hungry SOBs who, yes indeed, were funded by western interests just as fascists all over were and continue to be funded by corporate interests… let’s call a spade a spade, fascism was a response to bolshevism and not vice versa… most notably the misdeeds of Bolsheviks and Stalinists… millions of deaths in gulags and uncountable bodies interred under floors of NKVD interrogation centers don’t lie… and oh how convenient it was that those elusive Nazi gas-chambers and cremation ovens left no remains, the evidence of the 6 million being merely miscellaneous eye-witness accounts, the victims themselves being witnesses, judges and executioner.s.. I’m not the first to note that to the victors go the spoils of war and the rights to lie about history, but only a fool would be so blind as to think that such a history could ever be objective and based on truth and not some other nefarious interests, in this case as nefarious as the gulags, jim crowe laws, lies as big as the Gulf of Tonkin or Saddam’s stashes of WMDs…
Naziism was first and foremost a front against communism, and the rest of it was just a sign of the times, anachronisms having to do with ignorance about the human condition and history, anti-semitism being what it was, just as misguided as all those self-righteous preachermen and talking heads on the American fascistoid media machine still at it today… relics of earlier centuries… not the exclusive domain of Germans or Catholics, but a human failure of the sort that leads Zionists to starve and bomb Palestinians into starvation and submission on their quest to ethnically cleanse a “homeland”… fascists thru and thru… take off your blinders people… you are the enemy too, if there really is one.

March 1, 2010 at 12:45 pm
(29) Brooke says:

Hey, I was wondering if anyone knew Cardinal Faulhaber’s speech which he gave in 1993?

March 12, 2010 at 1:19 am
(30) ECR says:

It’s too bad so many readers are mistaking the truth of history for anti Catholicism. Unfortunately many Christian churches stood by and watched or even actively participated in the persecution of the Jews. People you need not be afraid of the truth you need only learn from it.

December 20, 2010 at 1:45 pm
(31) Lola says:

Antisemitism had been enshrined in Protestant Christianity long before Hitler came to power. Everyone knows about Martin Luther’s 95 Theses protesting the sale of indulgences by the Catholic Church. They tend to forget his later writings, such on On Jews And Their Lies, in which he claimed it was a Christian’s moral duty to slay Jews. An original copy of On Jews And Their Lies was displayed at the Nuremberg rallies. Bishop Martin Sasse published a compendium of Luther’s writings shortly after the Kristallnacht, and encouraged Germans to heed the words “of the greatest anti-Semite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews.”

January 24, 2011 at 4:05 pm
(32) ibstudent says:

hey, i was wondering if you could post up the page numbers you got this from, (the pages from the Book, Pope Benedict XVI: A Biography of Joseph Ratzinge)
thanks, i just need it so that i can be able to site it
i could site the website but like this won’t be seen as a reliable source, so i want more solid proof reliability.
thanks dude :)

January 25, 2012 at 5:47 am
(33) Sweet Jane says:

Wow! I am shocked to learn of the Catholic roots of Nazism. My school taught me that Catholics were targeted by Nazi’s along with Jews. I distinctly remember this because my best friend was Catholic.

February 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm
(34) Steve says:

I for one believe in Yah my God. The only living God. I have read this and find everything to be at least 99% accurate. Leaving a 1% margin just for kicks……lol. I could care less if an atheist wrote it. Great article!
That being said. Do some research on the Knights of Malta and the Jesuit Priests. Connection to the NWO and the Catholic Chruch. The god they serve is Mammon. Which is why it is on our money. The Money is their God. Most are under the delusion or illusion that they are serving Yah, while serving Satan himself cloaked as Christ’s Church. Once you come to realize who is really behind this fallen world even the atheist’s knees will bow.
Hallelu’Yah

May 3, 2013 at 1:09 pm
(35) Nick says:

Well, thanks John (and Google, 7 years after your writing) for being the first to give me some idea of the role of the Catholic church in Nazi Germany. Despite my Catholic wifes’ emotional tendency to jump into defense of the CC (she is at the left wing of the CC), without actually being attacked, I already feared this was the case; that not only the ‘entirety’ of German protestant churches misbehaved, but also the Catholic church, albeit in different degrees and context.
My unchanged conclusion: even God loving churches prove no guarantee for “saving” a human, a community, or a people, from ever again misbehaving in such awful ways. So for me the question is: what is? My answer would be: we’re working on it, and let’s never give up.

By the way, my interest for this matter stems from being a great-grandson of one the shockingly very few true resistant German protestant pastors. Georg Fritze.

Regards, Nick

December 22, 2013 at 11:56 am
(36) Ed says:

The only problem with Cline’s article is that it is unbalanced. There was a Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany. Catholics rescued about 860,000 Jews from the Nazis. The Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked Pope Pius XII for all he did and the Chief Rabbi of Rome became a Catholic, based on his witness of the Catholic rescue of the Jews in Italy. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef.html

Also see Wikipedia article “Catholic Resistance to Nazi Germany”

January 2, 2014 at 10:12 am
(37) Austin Cline says:

The only problem with Cline’s article is that it is unbalanced.

This assumes that ever aspect of Catholic responses to the Nazi government should be covered in every article or book – and that assumption is wrong. There is nothing “unbalanced” about focusing on one thing.

I’m sure you know that there is plenty out there defending what Catholics did under the Nazi government. Have you gone to them and complained about them being “unbalanced”? Or is it only “unbalanced” when someone is critical?

December 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm
(38) The G-man says:

Some harsh words assembled in defense of the theist position. Rebuts such as this only strengthen non-theist respect.

Take a moment and consider:

What is a more disturbing way to kill a human?: dislocating joints, crushing bones, disembowelment,

or

Walking into a room and inhaling a toxic gas?

Compared to the historical fact of the Catholic manner of killing, I’d chose gas. The Christian religion is rooted in barbaric violence, fact.

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