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Discussion: Would the World be Better without Religion?

By March 26, 2006

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A forum member writes: I really don't think so. Even though many atheists are rational (at least most on this forum are, to my knowledge), their rationality was the means of them becoming atheists and not the other way around. For those people who are relatively irrational (at least when it comes to religion), I think religion is actually a boon. It provides them with comfort and hope, which helps them keep good mental health, which then leads to good physical health. As well, religion provides a reason to do things and a purpose for people to fulfill, and this helps them make more morally correct decisions even though morality is not based in religion. Even if it isn't accurate, it helps people move through their lives.

What are your feelings regarding the relationship between religion, peace, and conflict? Do you think that if people were atheists and not religious, the world would be a better place? Read More...

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October 24, 2006 at 3:08 pm
(1) Guy R. says:

Put simply – Yes. The world would be a better place without religion.
To have beliefs does not mean to have a religion; religion is when masses of people get together with a single inflexible spiritual belief and actively set out to ‘recruit’ as many people as possible. Science shows if there had never been any religion in the world, we would have never had the dark ages, never had so many wars waged over who is right technologically we should be hundreds of years ahead of where we are today. If there is no religion, it does not stop people from believing whatever spiritual beliefs they hold. Without religion the beliefs of someone growing up in the world would have been deduced over time from the real feelings of that individual, rather than how it has been through history where people were/are ‘forced’ into their belief system through parents, missionary’s or media.

July 29, 2007 at 3:46 am
(2) Cathy says:

Yes the world would be a better place without religion.

The sooner people can stop being deluded about the ‘big daddy in the sky’ the better.

With regards to
“I think religion is actually a boon. It provides them with comfort and hope, which helps them keep good mental health, which then leads to good physical health. As well, religion provides a reason to do things and a purpose for people to fulfill, and this helps them make more morally correct decisions even though morality is not based in religion. Even if it isn’t accurate, it helps people move through their lives”.

Why would you want to live your life believing in a lie? Xmas is much nicer when you believe in Santa, and losing teeth is so much fun when the fairies come but we realise that these things aren’t true. You cant live a lie just to give yourself a boon.

There are lots of other mental crutches you can use if you need comfort and hope. What is so bad about living and dying and that being the end of it?

Its time we moved on from letting a book written by many MEN over a lengthy period of time over 2000 years ago run our lives.

Also I don’t need the bible to teach me morals. And for leading a life whereby I consider others and hurt no-one I expect NO reward.

Please, use your rational mind and STOP the DELUSION, life is much better without it.

February 9, 2011 at 6:07 am
(3) Katy says:

To Cathy,

The sooner people can stop being deluded about the ‘big daddy in the sky’ the better.

How can you say that the ‘big daddy in the sky’ (god) is not real? what eveidence so you have for saqying this?

March 17, 2011 at 10:52 pm
(4) Cy says:

Katy, let me pose that question back to you: what evidence do you have that “big daddy” does exist? How can you say he is real?
You do know that proving a negative is always difficult.

December 28, 2007 at 6:34 am
(5) Paul Hudson says:

Before we disregard all belief structures, buddhism works quite well to my knowledge and is the closest thing to my personal beliefs.

Other than that, trials with Religion and Communism have brought disaster.

Still, how can anyone be truly atheist, if as humans we have to believe something? Even if it is that we don’t believe in the Divine.

Religion is not a prerequisite to morality and nor is morality to contentment.

I am forced to confront my mortality without religion. My freedom is my choice of suicide, while I have that choice I might as well wake up tomorrow.

When I do wake up, I should enjoy myself and that is easier done with peace and love man.

October 19, 2008 at 5:39 pm
(6) Mike says:

Yes…the world would be better without religion. You can still have spirituality and believe in God, but religion has caused numerous problems…such as the crusades, dark ages, more recently, the middle east conflicts, 9/11, Pan Am 103 bombing, Ireland bombings, Oklahoma city bombing, 1996 Olympics Bombing, London Bombing, Bali…all of these acts of terrorism are result of religion. The world would be MUCH MUCH MUCH safer without religion.

October 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm
(7) JIMI says:

The science “proving” that the world would be better without religion is not factual. There is no way of telling what would happen if we didn’t have religion, Fact is: there is religion and what happened because of it has happened; for better or worse.

Without religion consider that many people wouldn’t have been “forced” morals and whatnot, leading a lot of people to figure it out on their own.

It would have been a much longer developmental time for humanity without the “recruitment” to religion and the spread of “the good word”.
All things considered, religion has affected us all, not so much in the negative as one would perceive.

October 8, 2010 at 10:28 am
(8) marvin says:

actualy science is catching up to the bible and life without religon would be that worst thing that could happen did you know that ewver tsince the govermetn been taking religon out of our country that crime rate and everything has gone up

October 8, 2010 at 4:33 pm
(9) Austin Cline says:

actualy science is catching up to the bible

Prove it.

and life without religon would be that worst thing that could happen

My life is without religion and it’s quite good.

did you know that ewver tsince the govermetn been taking religon out of our country that crime rate and everything has gone up

Except that religion hasn’t been taken out of our country by the government.

Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?

November 18, 2008 at 12:38 pm
(10) Nick says:

The arguments which have been made are relative and a little ignorant. Stating the crusades, 9/11 and every other tragedy which has come about due to religious groups in this world’s history shows a badly informed individual, lets get a little deeper.

Would the world be a Utopian Society if in fact religion had never come to be an objective reality? No, groups would still come together and kill each other for some cause. Its human nature, what makes a man’s beliefs and actions stronger, or women, or man and woman what ever your preference.

Lets be real here the problem has never been mans belief in a God it has always been his pride and desire to conquer. Take those away and there will be no need of religion or religious groups to be on the opposite side to counter act man’s desire to destroy or make one above the other. Religion has only been the tool leaders have manipulated in order to exploit their people.

So to answer the question, would the world be a better place without religion? No men would have found other means and diverse ways to conquer.

November 18, 2008 at 12:54 pm
(11) Austin Cline says:

Would the world be a Utopian Society if in fact religion had never come to be an objective reality? No, groups would still come together and kill each other for some cause.

That is true, but the truth of that does not imply that religion is not currently a cause of violence or even that religion might be a worse cause of violence than the alternatives.

Lets be real here the problem has never been mans belief in a God it has always been his pride and desire to conquer.

Why treat the two as mutually exclusive? Is it not possible that pride and a desire to conquer play a role in what sorts of gods people believe in, what sorts of religion become dominant, etc.?

Take those away and there will be no need of religion or religious groups to be on the opposite side to counter act man’s desire to destroy or make one above the other.

I don’t see any need for religion in the first place.

So to answer the question, would the world be a better place without religion? No men would have found other means and diverse ways to conquer.

You don’t establish a connection between the premise “religion is not necessary for violence” and the conclusion “religion is no worse than the alternatives.”

November 30, 2008 at 5:57 pm
(12) Jordan says:

Religion is a poison created long ago that people have still not been able to move past and get out of their systems. It bastardizes anything and everything it can preaching damnation, homophobia, violence, and fairy tales to the masses of weak minded people in the world.

1. In a world without religion science is no longer opposed by the ignorant
2. Science would have boomed and we would be 3 times as advanced as we are now
3. The Jews would have less cultural opposition(Palestinian, European etc) and there would be no religious terrorists meaning:
4. 9/11 would not have happened
5. The war in Iraq would not have happened
6. The London train bombings would not have happened
7. The mass cult suicides would not happen
8. Children would not be molested by the Catholic Church
9. People would have more personal responsibility and self respect because they would understand that this life is all they have and they should live it to the fullest
10. More charity organizations would be opened and more money would be given to them due to no more churches raking the money in
11. More taxes would be given to the government instead of to the church and the economy would stabilize.
12. The Nazi party would not have been fueled or funded by the Catholic Church and subsequently anti-Semitism
13. Hitler would not have been inspired by religious anti-Semitic Nordic Aryan blood myths
14. The holocaust would never have happened
15. Homophobia would not exist
16. Middle eastern racism would not exist
17. Slavery would not have been justified and therefore would not have been promoted meaning far less racism and poverty in America
18. The Spanish inquisition that tortured to death over 500,000 people would never have happened
19. The crusades that killed from 1,000,000 to 9,000,000 people would never have happened
20. The burning of witches, homosexuals, the mentally unstable, and women would never have happened saving countless hundreds of thousands of innocents throughout history
21. The spread of AIDS in Africa would be slowed considerably
22. The genocide of the North American Indians would never have happened
23. The genocide of the Central American Indians would never have happened
24. The genocide of the South American Indians would never have happened
25. Women would not be as oppressed and sexism overall would not exist in such abundance
26. Fanatical religious terrorist extremists would not exist and countless hundreds of thousands of innocents would not have died
27. The Japanese would not have massacred, raped, pillaged, and tortured the Chinese or have bombed Pearl Harbor
28. The genocide of the Armenians by the Turks would never have happened
29. People would not believe in a giant invisible ancient Middle Eastern desert spirit in the sky who gives a shit about them
30. Iran would not rape and murder innocent young girls under Koranic law
31. Saddam Hussein would not have massacred hundreds of thousands of his own people
32. World War 2 would never have happened
33. Manifest Destiny preached by Van Buren in the Second Great Awakening would never have happened and the Mexican American War would have been avoided
34. Numerous other atrocities would never have happened

Overall the world would be unquestionably a better place where life is valued infinitely more. Yet people still persist in spreading religion around more and more, simultaneously spreading hate and ignorance. Getting rid of religion right now would create a world where people are free to think and live without fear of hellfire, where tolerance is widespread, where life is valued, where science is celebrated, where advancement is common, where poverty is drastically reduced, where monopolization is constantly question and kept under control, where there is no justified hatred, stoning, burning, or rape. Where people no longer blow themselves and other people to smoldering oblivion. Where there is no more war, where AIDS is reduced, where reality is understood and accepted, where philosophy is free, and where people can embrace the world for all that it is and take responsibility for their actions and hard work. This is the future we need to work towards. Get rid of religion and the world is a better place.

October 12, 2010 at 12:22 pm
(13) anonymous says:

Actually i dont know why people connected the evil acts which done by evil human being to the religion
“Iran would not rape and murder innocent young girls under Koranic law”
In this piece of argument i dont know what you are trying to say where you find in the quran that saying “it is the law to rape and murder the young girls”.
Finally it shows that religion is misrepresented. Certainly there is no more gods and religions.

October 25, 2011 at 10:22 pm
(14) Jude says:

ok look i am only 13 and i know for a fact that most of this is complete bull**** for example how exactly would having no religion slow down aids in africa or that american indians would not have tried to have been killed off as the killing of them was for white supremacy and ownership of lands and that science would no longer be opposed even though there would be less opposition it is complete idiocy to say there would be no opposition though this probably sounds that im trying to defend religion but im not as i am also an atheist but a skeptical aswell as a few people seem to be on this site but not many but with you my friend i believe you are a 20 year old american guy who thinks he knows all there is to know about history just because he can name a few dates but in fact does not even know the cause of these atrocities or whether these things would have been good or not for example the mexican-american war which gave them less dependence on america and a lot more freedom and all arguments considered i believe YOU ARE AN IDIOT!! (also if you are american other people reading this acknowledge that this guy is probably typical and consider where the money should be going) and fyi british before anybody starts to make assumptions and piss’ me off

March 19, 2009 at 10:54 am
(15) Unkown Brain says:

Religon is beliveing a lie, all it is are Humans trying to explain what cannot be explained, and it always comes down to the conculeion thats their’s a Sky daddy up there

people belived in religon because they will get Reward with this place call Heaven where they will stay at for all eturnity belived it or not that will be torture! sure it may be fun for the first million years, but what about the next million and the next, how about a Billion years in this place call heaven, would heven be so fun after a TRILLION years, their be nothing to left to do, this would totally destory your very meaning of exsitante, same with hell, within a Trillion years hell and heaven would be equally Torture

May 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm
(16) Eugene says:

I’m not naive enough to believe that immediately all of our problems would disappear if everyone suddenly rejected irrational religious belief, but I’m sure it would help.

It would allow us to create laws and policies for the benefit of all, rather than to conform to primeval religious dogmas. If a law cannot be demonstrated through logic and reason, to be beneficial to the healthy functioning of society, then it should be rejected.

I’m also not at all convinced about the idea that religion is beneficial to irrational people, by bringing comfort in times of distress and bereavement. In theory this seems reasonable, but from my own observations, it appears to create confusion, resentment, and continued questioning “Why did God do this?”, rather than acceptance. There can be no meaningful answers to an meaningless question.

I think this is particularly true for Children. If they lose a family member, they can accept that this is the end, and they will never see this person again, but then adults start filling their heads with false hope and confusing ambiguity. “Billy isn’t really dead, he’s gone to heaven to be with God and the Angels…”, “but I saw him in the wooden box?”, “that wasn’t really him, that was just his body…”, “why did it look like him then?”. “If Billy is in heaven, why can’t we fly up in a plane to visit him?”.

Parents mean well, they think they’re softening the blow, but the explanations they give do not make sense, and ultimately I believe cause more harm than good.

I think we could learn to have greater appreciation for what we have in the ‘here and now’, if we stop clinging to the hope that there will be something better in the hereafter.

July 24, 2009 at 1:35 pm
(17) Kevin says:

The world would be better off without religion. To clarify my meaning, religion is a large group that adheres to a certain beliefs and tries to recruit more people. It is a slave mentality that controls every aspect of a person’s life. I am not saying or trying to discredit God, I am just promoting private beliefs at most. That would lead to greater happyness and less pointless conflicts due to disagreements on belief. Organized beliefs, a.k.a. religions, have and will only lead to problems. Furthermore, they promote hatred and intolerance.

July 26, 2009 at 4:00 am
(18) Luke says:

Religion is an ancient concept that should have been abandoned during the Renaissance. While many religious people claim atheists have been responsible for millions of killings, I can tell you that the number of people killed in the name of the christian god ALONE would easily be around 800 million – 1 billion. Religions preach homophobia, xenophobia, sexism, hate, violence and war, and at the same time try so hard to brainwash more people into following them. Countless atrocities could have been avoided entirely if religion didn’t exist, including the dark ages. Imagine what the world would be like if all of what we have in the 21st century was a reality in the 15th century (the dark ages went for around 600 years). We could very well have a colony on mars by now for example.

August 24, 2009 at 5:27 pm
(19) Robbie4949 says:

I have just turned the big 6 decade and can honestly say the older I get the more I can see things in a clear, rational way.

Yes the world would be a lot further ahead if it were not for organized religion. Countries, where the state and a religion are one eg: Islamic states and some places in America.

I live in Australia and like to think I can say what I would about our government and not be dragged off to some prison.

I think in order to embrace most of the various religions through the ages and even the most stringent ones now, Islam, Catholic & some protestant and Hindu. You would have to leave your power of reason behind.

Religion was invented by man to pacify his/her own fear of death..the unknown and indeed the unknowable. Almost without exception people I have known who believe in a more powerful being, all seeing, all knowing entity have somewhat lower reasoning ability…IQ if you like.
Usually drilled into it when as a young child, rather like drilling as on a parade ground within a military hierarchy. This works in a military sense as in a battle situation reactions have to become instinctive in order to protect yourself and other comrades. One has to wonder why the brainwashing is required in religion, perhaps to except without question ???

Yes mankind would have progressed faster if religion had kept it’s ugly nose out of scientific endeavour. We required laws to govern us but organized religion could have been left out of the equation.

April 27, 2010 at 2:30 am
(20) Evan says:

Some people are too weak minded to face their inevitable mortality and therefore need to feel that there is an afterlife. Embracing the nothingness that follows life is something that not everyone can handle; therefore, there will always be religion in some form… the question as to whether the world would be a better place without religion is purely hypothetical as a world without religion is inplausible. The real question is as to whether religion will ever evolve to the point where the xenophobic ideologies that it encourages are eliminated. Peace is possible but only when different religious sects “agree to disagree” rather than create conflict over that which is only imaginary.

May 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
(21) Dom says:

Just look at what atheism did to communist countries in the past and you’ll get the answer. I don’t think the question is if the world would be a better place without religion, but whether or not there is a God in the first place. You cannot disprove God with any arguments. So how can you say religious people are “weak-minded” or “irrational”. God has sent us an uncountable number of signs and miracles and people have lived as role models to show us that there is a greater love to live for. Many Christians have had their own personal experiences with God which changed their lives. It has nothing to do with rationality. If all people, including most Christians, would live this loving and giving way of life shown to us in Jesus, the world would be a peaceful and joyful place.

May 5, 2010 at 6:53 pm
(22) Austin Cline says:

Just look at what atheism did to communist countries in the past and you’ll get the answer.

Why?

I don’t think the question is if the world would be a better place without religion, but whether or not there is a God in the first place.

Well, people who claim there is haven’t proven it.

You cannot disprove God with any arguments.

Why not?

So how can you say religious people are “weak-minded” or “irrational”.

Well, you aren’t disproving that so far.

God has sent us an uncountable number of signs and miracles and people have lived as role models to show us that there is a greater love to live for.

Like I said…

Many Christians have had their own personal experiences with God which changed their lives.

Many have had their own personal experiences with aliens, too. Or at least that’s what they claim.

It has nothing to do with rationality.

That’s the first thing you’ve said that I can agree with completely.

If all people, including most Christians, would live this loving and giving way of life shown to us in Jesus, the world would be a peaceful and joyful place.

Well, Jesus said to give to any who ask. So, will you give me all the money in your wallet?

June 18, 2010 at 5:06 am
(23) MindCrime says:

You cannot disprove God with any arguments.

That’s a typically defensive stance that zealots love to hide behind.

In the first place, a person does not have to disprove that which has never been asserted as fact. Your suppositions are just that, an assumption of belief. That alone does not make it anything other than a personal expression of opinion.

Perhaps your belief system supports this baseless position without a shred of evidence, but mine does not. I would ask for proof of this unsupportable argument of yours, but it seems like every time religion gets cornered by logic, it lashes out with the same rhetoric: “Non-believers don’t understand.” or “Belief requires no proof, only faith.”

Sorry, that doesn’t cut it. In the real world, opinions are a dime a dozen. Your belief in your opinion doesn’t make it true, and saying that others cannot “disprove” your beliefs is just another way of saying that you cannot prove them. Logic dictates that your “belief” is just another unsubstantiated, baseless opinion. Everyone has opinions, and lots of people voice theirs. What makes your opinion so special that others have to disprove it?

September 27, 2010 at 6:34 pm
(24) Chris says:

I totally agree with all of Jordan’s point 8. No religion is the the best path for human advancement.

Religion only seems to offer a reason to conflict against each other.

September 30, 2010 at 12:52 pm
(25) jessie'sgirl says:

It’s true that religion has been manipulated throughout history, but can’t anything be manipulated? Saying that you do something because God told you to is the perfect excuse for anything, that’s how many extremists justify their actions.You can have something that is truth, but that truth can be distorted and changed to control others. I do not think that the enemy is directly religion, its when governments and radicals use religion as an excuse for their actions.

September 30, 2010 at 2:43 pm
(26) Austin Cline says:

It’s true that religion has been manipulated throughout history, but can’t anything be manipulated?

Yes, but it causes much more mischief to say “God wants me to do this” than to say “some random secular ideology wants me to do this.” You can argue with an ideology; you’re not supposed to argue with God. Just look around today and see how many people get upset with atheists just being critical of religion and theism – you don’t see such complaints about criticisms of secular political opinions, do you?

Saying that you do something because God told you to is the perfect excuse for anything, that’s how many extremists justify their actions.

Exactly. It’s a much more useful excuse than what is typically found in any secular ideology.

I do not think that the enemy is directly religion, its when governments and radicals use religion as an excuse for their actions.

Insofar as using religion makes things worse, religion is a factor that needs to be addressed directly.

October 15, 2010 at 10:28 pm
(27) George says:

I wonder if an analogous argument couldn’t be made on the lines of the space race. If, in short, the effort to go to the moon was fueled by the existential competition of the Free and Communist worlds and it, space exploration, now lives beyond that competition then it could be argued the Cold War was necessary for that kind of progress. Of course another path could and would have landed us on the moon but it could have been twenty years from now and we would not be enjoying the computer revolution et al at present without it. Sooo it could be argued analogously that certain kinds of progress such as laws and morals and even explorations were jump started due to religious proddings. Had there been no religious guidings we would live in an entirely different world, one which nobody could safely envision. It seems to me like the thought of whether a fish can distinguish the water it lives in from any other medium. To consider historical llfe without religion is but a thought experiment.

October 20, 2010 at 3:07 pm
(28) Marvin says:

It was a bit disturbing to see my name [marvin(21)] connected to the ideas above, so I feel compelled to comment.

“actualy science is catching up to the bible”

I’d love to hear a defense of that statement. I can’t imagine a coherent one.

As for the rest, Austin said it pretty well.

November 9, 2010 at 7:22 am
(29) Will says:

I don’t agree with religious organizations but to deny spirituality completely would be ignorant. There’s a book called My Big Toe by Thomas Campbell which outlines that everything is fundamentally consciousness including this physical universe as well as the spiritual realm where paranormal activity originates from. The book is not so much a book about his personal experience but an outline of a physics model that extends beyond our physical universe. Campbell doesn’t deny the possibility of God but he does say that our personal beliefs alter our perceptions of God.

November 9, 2010 at 7:47 am
(30) Austin Cline says:

I don’t agree with religious organizations but to deny spirituality completely would be ignorant.

Can you define “spirituality”?

There’s a book called My Big Toe by Thomas Campbell which outlines that everything is fundamentally consciousness including this physical universe as well as the spiritual realm where paranormal activity originates from.

And can you provide any reason why anyone should consider his claims valid or accurate?

November 9, 2010 at 9:34 am
(31) Will says:

Spirituality in the sense of paranormal activity and connections between consciousness.

Campbell derives his physics theory from two assumptions. One of evolution and two that the fundamental energy is consciousness. His research includes 30 years of work on consciousness and on paranormal activity.

November 9, 2010 at 10:36 am
(32) Austin Cline says:

Spirituality in the sense of paranormal activity and connections between consciousness.

OK, is there any good reason to think that anything like this exists?

Campbell derives his physics theory from two assumptions. One of evolution and two that the fundamental energy is consciousness.

Is there any reason to think that the second assumption is true?

Has his work been peer-reviewed to determine if his work is correct?

His research includes 30 years of work on consciousness and on paranormal activity.

Peer-reviewed research?

November 14, 2010 at 1:50 am
(33) Dave says:

This is really intriguing question. It seems to me there is no way to ‘prove or disprove the existence of a supernatural being; unless He/She walk up to the White House and shakes the Presidents hand. Then folks would wonder if this supernatural being were a Democrat or Republican and throw eggs at it.
My mother was a wonderful Christian woman who didn’t force her beliefs on anyone. She lived her faith and simply said that each of us have to decide for themselves what they believe or not believe. My father attended church with her because she asked him to. For many years he attended; and I don’t know exactly what the man truly believed in his heart. Personally, I think he accepted life and death as a fact and there was no real reason to worry about such things because we have no control over the hereafter.
Austin, you make many valid points, ask appropriate questions, and make a person think. It was asked once if it would hurt if you might believe; just in case there is a God in the afterlife. Well if there is a God, would he not know if you are truly believe or not?
Dave

November 14, 2010 at 9:08 am
(34) Austin Cline says:

This is really intriguing question. It seems to me there is no way to ‘prove or disprove the existence of a supernatural being; unless He/She walk up to the White House and shakes the Presidents hand.

That’s not true. If the “being” is defined in a way that is self-contradictory or that contradicts known facts, that you effectively disprove it.

It was asked once if it would hurt if you might believe; just in case there is a God in the afterlife.

Just in case there is which god and what afterlife? Odin? Apollo? People asking the question you cite usually assume that only theirs is valid and worth considering, which is begging the question.

Well if there is a God, would he not know if you are truly believe or not?

What’s more, the sort of “god” people are trying to get you to believe in seems to be the sort that would care very much about whether you’re believing sincerely or not.

December 15, 2010 at 6:21 pm
(35) K Cass says:

Can we all put aside our personal beliefs and think about the question and answer it honestly?

January 10, 2011 at 10:48 pm
(36) A strong believer in God says:

The things people say about God are horrible. How could anyone not believe in Him. How did we as humans exist, how did Earth exist. Well all of those who are unbelievers can burn in HELL!!!!!!! All Glory goes to God and my Savior Jesus Christ. I LOVE THEM BOTH!!!! THANKYOU Lord for everything you’ve done for me!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 13, 2011 at 3:51 pm
(37) Ashley says:

God is not realll!

October 22, 2011 at 11:52 pm
(38) Anon says:

PLEASE LOOK HERE! I respect all religion where only the morals in life exist. What i don’t believe is things that creationist tells me. I don’t read thousand year books. I do not go to church/ temple/ mosque.I believe in evolution. I believe in facts based on research.

When you feel the urge to commit a crime, most of us are bounded by religious morals. However, take that away you have a world without human ethics. In this sense, we should not discriminate but educate. Our actions now are going to influence the younger generation.
Religion has created cultures and morals however it has also created war.

There is a saying: If you just let it be, it will slowly go away.

January 15, 2011 at 8:06 am
(39) James says:

@A strong believer in God:

“Well all of those unbelievers can burn in Hell!!!!!!!”

Grammatical errors aside, you have a lot to learn.

As far as we non-believers burning in hell: How about you first?

Of course, there’d actually have to be a “hell” before anyone could burn in it.

People like you make me sick. You’re also useless to society as a whole because your silly belief system has removed your ability to think rationally. It could be that they got to you in the cradle, in which case you’ve never had a rational thought in your life.

Religion in general, Christianity in particular, is a mind virus. As a virulent disease, it has spread far and wide, wreaking havoc everywhere it goes. I can’t think of anything more evil.

July 31, 2011 at 4:58 pm
(40) Rose says:

Of course.We Christians are so evil,you have no idea at all!We created and gave the world cancer and AIDS,and now millions of people are dying.We created drugs and gangs to kill each other over them.We caused the tsunami in Japan and the earthquake in Haiti.We are so evi,your mind cannot understand an inch of the evilnessness we do in this day and era.(laught manically).You cannot stop us little atheists.You can’t even cure our AIDS!

January 15, 2011 at 8:22 pm
(41) Joan says:

I think I see a lot of people who use religion as a way of fellowship. Their church becomes their community. Then you see lots of separate communities within a community. Not good in my mind. I think it would be much nicer if our fellowship was with our neighbors and others in our secular community. Much less divisive than religion.

February 11, 2011 at 11:49 am
(42) Chad says:

My answer is no. Religion formed the basis of morals and etiquette. Religion was suppose to make man forget their ego and reminded them of the purpose of life. Over time, people forgot about the purpose of having a religion and are reminded of their ego. In response to religion causing animosity, man will always find a reason to kill one another..blaming religion is just convenient.

February 14, 2011 at 3:23 pm
(43) james says:

ok so i kinda get what your sayin about the whole huans will always have a reason to kill, but if you look back at history then you will see that most of it had the backing of religious leaders. if god on high said you should turn the other cheak then why does no one ever do it. the church is so corrupt and power drunk that you cant possibly belive that they are doing anyone any good. then we get into the morals and ethics of it all and religion did not just make that stuff up, it had to come from sumwhere. people had morals and values long before religion was establishedin any way shape or form. religion just gave it a nice little goal, its like bribeing a little kid into doing what you want. except this kid is a mass of desperate people looking for somthing nice to happen to them after they die. if anything the egos of people have gottin worse because everyone that has religion feels that they have the personal right to save anyone who doesnt think the same as them no matter what that person they are trying to “save” has to say. i dont know you believe what you want but that is what i think.

February 19, 2011 at 5:37 pm
(44) Grandpa_In_The_East says:

So Chad, you say “Religion formed the basis of morals and etiquette.” Does that mean that you support the idea of the evolution of religion? It sounds like it! Also, you say, “Religion was supposed to…” Does that mean religion was a “cause” rather that a “result” of something? And I want to know, what could possibly be more egoistic than to seek, above all else, one’s own salvation? And does that not limit your capacity to love? For whom could you care enough to be willing to go to Hell in their stead?

Chad. The only purpose of “life” is death. When you realize that, “Life” will take on a far greater meaning than you have ever known. Meanwhile, only religion has demonstrated throughout history the capacity to enable human beings to dehumanize other human beings.

Grandpa

February 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm
(45) seathanaich says:

Of course the world would be a better place without religion. It was useful when we didn’t know how the world worked; but now that we do, it has outlived its usefulness, and has been replaced by better and more useful ways of thinking.

August 6, 2011 at 5:48 am
(46) marijn says:

how can u say we understand the wrold?
there are so many questions jet to be answered

April 22, 2011 at 3:41 am
(47) Eduardo says:

Well the bible does say “False religion will fall” looks like it’s starting too, it’s about time anyway. That also leaves the question of which is the true religion? Keep going atheist you’re fulfilling bible prophecy, and if it’s true that there is no “big daddy in the sky” then oh well, not like not believing would effect me personally anyway by what some people write.

August 6, 2011 at 5:36 am
(48) marijn says:

at first i want to appologise for my bad english: im dutch and im only 14.
i dont think that we should force people to drop the religion they believe in, neighter do i think people should try to let atheist believe in god(s).
i just want to open their eyes.

what if there is no life after death?
you whould have wasted half of your life.

there might be some people that want to ask me now:
what if there is a life after death and becouse you didnt believe you go to hell?
simply answer is: i dont care. i dont want to live forever.
not in heaven and not in hell.

what if you face god and it turns out you have followed the wrong religion all your life?

why if the god(s) wanted us to believe in him/them, he didnt make us believe him? if he/they is/are so powerfull he must have been able to do that right?
i think if he/they excist(s) he/they gave us a choice.
then it would be kind of evil to say that if you didnt believe you go to hell. after all he/they gave you the choise him-/themself(s).

and i will never say that i ‘know’ that the god(s) doesnt excist. i only think that the change is very small.

every option must be left open.
what if after all we all dont excist but we are an illusion of ourselfs? we could never prove that nor prove that it is wrong.

August 6, 2011 at 8:15 am
(49) Austin Cline says:

and i will never say that i ‘know’ that the god(s) doesnt excist

Why not?

August 25, 2011 at 11:48 am
(50) Tim says:

From a logical stand point, the world would be alot better without religion. Personally a great up side would be the lack religious fanatics (the most annoying people in the world)

However I believe that religion also has its good side in history. Think back 1000 years, this is a harsh and unforgiving time, laws were barely enforced and murder was almost commonplace. Without the ‘big daddy in the sky’ morals and values are in a pretty bad place

Back to the point, I do believe the world would be safer and more advanced without religion. Great minds such as Galileo would not have been condemned and locked away simply for stating observation. This is because religion breeds a extraordinary amount of ignorance and hatred. Even your average church goer will deny the evidence at first, instead returning to the extremely convenient, ‘proves itself’ bible. Here’s a nice quote: Hear no evidence, see no evidence, spout bible verses until it goes away. This ignorance further cripples the process of science and society although.

Hatred is universal in almost* all religion , while they all preach love and peace as soon someone disagrees with their views, the fangs come out. Without religion the world would be good people doing good things and bad people doing bad things. But with religion, it is possible to delude the most sane and logical person to strap bombs to themselves and prepare for the virgins in heaven.

*I quite like Buddhism

November 5, 2011 at 9:30 pm
(51) anonymous says:

I believe the world would definitely be a better place without religion. It rose out of an innate fear of death and was formed as a “natural” and easy form of control over others (read Guns, Germs and Steel). This kind of culture may have been part of natural selection, it represented narrative creativity or art I suppose, but I feel that once enough scientific evidence was present, people would give up the stage in old tradition. Like creationists should now; at least become a theistic evolutionist, the big bang and natural selection is practically a fact now.

The dark ages of course would not have occurred, technology would be much more advanced and all sorts of wars and intolerance would not have occurred. God would not have been allowed to reasonable justify many wrongdoings. Even though human nature is naturally savage or “evil”, neither science nor religion should claim to be able to fix/lessen this IF they do so now. technology will advance, but our morals won’t, humans will only be more elusive in our expression. However, god has been used to justify many evils or claim to give one better morals and should be rid of in order to prevent the use of this excuse again. Faith based congregations have been said to uphold spirit and morals in ways I personally don’t understand, but maybe other truthful forms can be developed to help those in need. Abstraction is a defense mechanism that shields us from death, but worries need to be quenched somehow.

Sorry for the rant…

February 11, 2012 at 9:53 am
(52) Airboney says:

everyone here has made one point and the other,… yet no one realises what is going on here.. look at what the question is turning some into; the argument starts all over again, people abusing others and others abusing people… there is a difference between persuasion, discussion and an argument. This here is a HEATED ARGUMENT and in a heated argument no one is ready to let go of their belief… believing in A GOD is not by force, like the saying goes, everyone has their cross to carry… u are not going to convince someone that there is a GOD if the person doesnt want to be convinced. there is the close minded, open minded, and weak minded individuals but it all boils down to the fact that we all have a CHOICE to make on what we want to believe… calling each other terrible names over a simple question would not make anything better, infact it is worsens situations, and many would again blame it on religion…. state ur fact and let it be… it is well.

March 19, 2012 at 2:46 am
(53) Ani F. says:

In the bible it states that man is the glory of god, and woman is the glory of man. Which basically means that god is the greatest power and he created man to serve him and then created the woman to serve man.

So if it wasn’t for the bible then it would never have been instilled in the human mind that man is greater than woman. This would completely eliminate the centuries of suffering women have gone through and continue to go through today simply due to their sex. If god is love, as so many religious people say then why would he separate human kind into two categories and love one more than the other.

Religion is the cause of so many problems in the world. We would all be such better people that believe in ourselves and our capabilities compared to believing in a greater power.

May 3, 2012 at 4:51 am
(54) Hiro says:

You don’t need to be an atheist, just have no religion :)
It mean:
- Peace: Religion leaders will not control people to kill the others. People will have more flexibility to join each other.
Humany will fight against the armagedon: The possible fade of humanity destroyed by asteroids, the possible moon orbital escape. Only high technology can safe lifes. The speed of evolution of technology will increase to the point to turn possible space exploration, robots engaged to terraform mars and built space stations. No economic crises or depletment of human resources by war. Countries enjoying much more high standards.
There are no time to lose praying to save the humanity since we are mature and God will just respect us if we do it alone :)

July 5, 2012 at 4:42 pm
(55) Dare Challeng Me? ^_^ says:

Well, some of the people here are very ignorant in terms of not seeing all sides. I’m not saying i am not ignorant, but merely that i am not ignorant as some people here.

For example…

“Science would have boomed and we would be 3 times as advanced as we are now”

This is most definitely false. Science has boomed because of religion. The Golden ages, throughout history, all over the world was fueled by religion. The renaissance would not have been there without the Muslim’s vast universities in Spain etc. or without the religious inventors who made the life changing inventions with the knowledge of religious scholars.
> Invention > Advanced surgery (Muslim invention based on the Qur’an (not Koran – Qur’an is the most similar English translation from the Arabic), Algebra, fountain pen, Modern Cheque, Secret services, advanced police force, advanced banking, the beautiful scenic gardens that were made in the other parts of Europe after Spain was conquered by the Church.
*Obviously many scholars of many other religions have made various inventions, but i unfortunately only specialize in Islam and Sikhism*

Most people read the bible or various scriptures and say that this is completely false but the bible is a book of beliefs that is complicated piece of text that has many complex philosophical ideas. But have you ever thought that religion is a part of science. Science cannot explain everything and is never 100% certain since their always will be unknown factors of which cannot be taken into consideration such as: “This is all a dream and you are imagining everything” – can’t be proven wrong.
I see religion as science which explains the things that cannot be explained by science because science isn’t absolute until you know everything (which is impossible). Here are some of my theories…. The soul is technology from another universe, God is a Force etc…

July 5, 2012 at 4:43 pm
(56) Dare Challenge ME? ^_^ says:

Plus: Many people misinterpret a religion by thinking the religion is from the people. No, Religion isn’t defined by the people but religion does define people. So You can’t say Islam is a Religion is Terror until you have actually read the Qur’an * or If everyone was a Buddhist monk, the world would starve.

*There are many scholars who believe that the Qur’an is a load of ****** but what you have to remember is that there is a specific way of interpreting the Qur’an and that all other interpretations are WRONG.

“where you find in the quran that saying “it is the law to rape and murder the young girls”.”
I have studied many scriptures for numerous years, more in the Qur’an and the Guru Granth Sahib, but never have i read this… most likely you found this on a random site and believed it was true rather than committing yourself to find the truth yourself.

To understand the Qur’an you have interpret it with a non-secular, non free sex, Not equal rights( because that is impossible) but different rights that are of equivalent weight, Nothing that goes against Natural instincts of the mind AND the BODY – Homosexuality and trans-sexuality, fresh and honest mind, this may be hard because of the environment we live in today but for some people out there – THINK BEFORE YOU SPREAD THE VENOM BECAUSE VENOM WILL AFFECT MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU REALIZE.

July 5, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(57) Dare Challenge Me? ^_^ says:

Human beings are destined to decline because we think too much in terms of philosophy… Some people say religion is a tool that people in the past have used to create a society with morals and success and say that it is not needed now. But that may be false…

Think, a world without religion, people living their normal lives, some part of the world full of good honest people and others still filled with rape, drugs and crime (Human nature is selfish – 100% true – think before you answer to this because i’m sure you’ll agree with me) but in this world no terrorism conflicts but then one person THINKS not like the many others carrying on the routine but THINKS BIG QUESTIONS… like what binds me to following the law? What is the point if i’m going to die anyway? Why do we live to die? Why? Why? WHY?

July 5, 2012 at 4:53 pm
(58) Dare Challenge Me? ^_^ says:

This person has 2 choices:
1.Live life for fun, Crime, Drugs, Rape… if i’m going to die anyway why not have a fun time as well..
2.Turn to Religion for purpose.

If this person chooses the first option… what makes you so sure that others won’t follow. One man is all that’s needed to disrupt this “UTOPIA”.

Many people blame religion on the wars etc. but what it really is that many people don’t realize Human nature… What is really happening is a person with ambitions who uses an excuse to make a war for his selfish reasons such as: Iraq war – I understand the need to stop terrorism but why was so much oil siphoned off to Europe and the US making the current Oil companies redundant.

Everyone blames each other. It is always whose to blame. THE REAL DELUSION IS THAT WE ARE IGNORANT ABOUT OURSELVES. There is no freedom from the curse of human nature but death. IF You have a religion IT GIVES VALUE TO LIFE AND DEATH FOR WITHOUT IT THEY ARE MEANINGLESS. DO NOT TRY TO SAY that life and death is always important because it is Religion that gave you the Morals to believe it is important.

July 5, 2012 at 4:54 pm
(59) Dare Challenge Me? ^_^ says:

^*WITHOUT RELIGION THERE IS NO BEGINNING AND THERE IS NO WORTH TO AN END*^

^*THERE HAS BEEN RELIGION FROM THE VERY FIRST FEW SOCIETIES BECAUSE SOCIETY CANNOT ADVANCE WITHOUT IT*^

^*DON’T SAY “WELL, I DON’t BELIEVE IN RELIGION AND MY LIFE IS FINE.” ___NO THAT IS FALSE. YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A SOCIETY OR CIVILIZATION WITHOUT RELIGION*^

^*ANOTHER PROOF ABOUT THE selfish nature of Mankind (or the human race if you disagree with MANkind)*^

^*THE MIND IS CONNECTED TOO PROFOUNDLY FOR SOME PEOPLE TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY WITHOUT AFFECTING THE REST< THERE MAY BE A DELAY< BUT THE BEST WAY IS TO KEEP IN THE BOUNDARIES AND ORDER OF EARTH.

Think about the philosophical points that this comment shoes and think of the bigger picture because the bigger picture will always be the smaller one.

July 7, 2012 at 8:30 am
(60) Austin Cline says:

Science has boomed because of religion.

Prove it.

Science cannot explain everything and is never 100% certain since their always will be unknown factors of which cannot be taken into consideration

And how does this justify religion?

I see religion as science which explains the things that cannot be explained by science

And is there any basis for seeing things this way, aside from it seeming to validate your preferred beliefs and ideology?

The soul is technology from another universe

Prove it.

This person has 2 choices:
1.Live life for fun, Crime, Drugs, Rape… if i’m going to die anyway why not have a fun time as well..
2.Turn to Religion for purpose.

Just because you can’t think of any other choices doesn’t mean there aren’t any other choices. This just reveals your own lack of moral imagination.

IF You have a religion IT GIVES VALUE TO LIFE AND DEATH FOR WITHOUT IT THEY ARE MEANINGLESS.

Prove they are meaningless without religion.

WITHOUT RELIGION THERE IS NO BEGINNING AND THERE IS NO WORTH TO AN END

Prove it.

Think about the philosophical points that this comment shoes

Philosophical points? No, you have made no philosophical points. You have made a series of assertions, and ended up virtually “shouting,” without even trying to support any of your claims. Without substantive support for your assertions, everything you’ve written is effectively worthless.

July 13, 2012 at 8:18 pm
(61) Victoria says:

(58) Dare Challenge Me? ^_^ says:

This person has 2 choices:
1.Live life for fun, Crime, Drugs, Rape… if i’m going to die anyway why not have a fun time as well..
2.Turn to Religion for purpose.

I feel really, really sorry for you. If a life of ‘fun’ only exists for you to do criminal things, then, I guess YOU need religion. Killing, raping, pillaging, and other crimes have never been anything I have ever even remotely thought would be ‘fun’.

I did leave out drugs because if some things were legal, well…. I might be so inclined to do some of them – for fun.

July 14, 2012 at 6:02 pm
(62) OZAtheist says:

Yes Victoria I agree with you observations regarding “Dare Challenge Me? ^_^”. He sounds like a scary character to me if it is just his religion stopping him from doing all those “fun” things. Many of those fun things are condoned by his religion however.

July 17, 2012 at 12:45 pm
(63) archaeopteryx says:

Why is it, that when I click on the link in your newsletter, “There’s A Specific Way Of Interpreting Qur’an; All Others Are Wrong,” I’m directed to, “Discussion: Would the World be Better without Religion?”

July 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm
(64) Austin Cline says:

Why is it, that when I click on the link in your newsletter, “There’s A Specific Way Of Interpreting Qur’an; All Others Are Wrong,” I’m directed to, “Discussion: Would the World be Better without Religion?”

That link is under the heading ‘recent blog comments’ and the line is from one of the recent comments on this page. Unfortunately, recent software changes here have made linking to specific comments difficult, and sometimes impossible.

July 17, 2012 at 8:48 pm
(65) Bronwyn says:

How can some of you people be so blind?
I’m not really a Christian, but I’m definitely going that way.
Haven’t you guys heard about how the Evolutionary theory is becoming so unlikely that many scientists are switching from being steadfast in that movement to becoming more neutral.
And really, what is the point in asking whether or not the world would be better without religion? What has happened has happened, but some of you people seem intent on placing the blame everywhere BUT yourselves (used collectively).
It is already understood that people have a tendecy to do the wrong thing.
Religion provides a set of moral values that help people live there lives for the better.

July 17, 2012 at 8:49 pm
(66) Bronwyn says:

I mean, hypocrites! Some of the greatest people in history were Religious. Abraham Lincolhn, for one, was steadfast in his faith, and he was the one who won the rights of slaves!
And really, it was the evolutionary theory ‘Survival of the Fittest’ that lead Hitler to start World War II.
And how would you people know that religion uses a slave mentality??
People don’t come to church because they are made, they come of their free-will, no one’s stopping them.
Personally, I find going to church quite refreshing, (beside the added bonus that I don’t have to do homework ;P) it is a place where I can just sit and think in peace, where people aren’t grabbing for my attention and destractions and null to limited.
Yes, I agree that there have been horrendous occurences over religion, but have you noticed that a lot of the time the Dark Ages were aimed at OTHER CHRISTIANS, because they rejected the Catholic faith.
And did you guys know, that millenia before the theory of a round world developed, the Bible already stated it as factual? I’m sorry, but I just can’t see how a MAN could figure that out.
And that stuff about the Bible being untrue? There is significant archeological evidence that the places and happenings recorded in the Bible actually took place.
I swear, I’m only new and I feel I could write a sermon on this stuff.
Sorry guys, but I think you people are looking at it a little one-sided.

July 17, 2012 at 9:01 pm
(67) @live.com says:

Oh yeah, Austin??
in comment 33?
It’s Wodin, the god of war.
It’s why we have Wednesday

July 17, 2012 at 9:26 pm
(68) Austin Cline says:

I’m not really a Christian, but I’m definitely going that way.

Why?

Haven’t you guys heard about how the Evolutionary theory is becoming so unlikely that many scientists are switching from being steadfast in that movement to becoming more neutral.

No. Cite your sources.

And really, what is the point in asking whether or not the world would be better without religion?

Why not?

It is already understood that people have a tendecy to do the wrong thing.

And say some stupid things.

Religion provides a set of moral values that help people live there lives for the better.

Like hating gays and keeping women in a second-class status.

I mean, hypocrites! Some of the greatest people in history were Religious.

Like Hitler

Abraham Lincolhn, for one, was steadfast in his faith, and he was the one who won the rights of slaves!

You mean, the man who admitted to never being a member of any Christian church? Who was accused of being an infidel and deist… and never denied it?

And really, it was the evolutionary theory ‘Survival of the Fittest’ that lead Hitler to start World War II.

Prove it.

People don’t come to church because they are made, they come of their free-will, no one’s stopping them.

Unless their parents make them.

Yes, I agree that there have been horrendous occurences over religion, but have you noticed that a lot of the time the Dark Ages were aimed at OTHER CHRISTIANS, because they rejected the Catholic faith.

And that makes it OK?

And did you guys know, that millenia before the theory of a round world developed, the Bible already stated it as factual? I’m sorry, but I just can’t see how a MAN could figure that out.

Actually, the Greeks did, at least as early as the 6th century BCE. This was before the Bible was put together.

And that stuff about the Bible being untrue? There is significant archeological evidence that the places and happenings recorded in the Bible actually took place.

OK, cite some of it.

Sorry guys, but I think you people are looking at it a little one-sided.

Whereas you spout all sorts of stuff that’s obviously wrong.

Oh yeah, Austin?? in comment 33? It’s Wodin, the god of war. It’s why we have Wednesday

Not in modern English. The name is Odin, and the Norse is similar. The day “Wednesday” comes from the Old English form of his name, which isn’t used anymore.

And he isn’t the God of war.

You really should do your research before writing so much nonsense.

July 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm
(69) OZAtheist says:

@(66) Bronwyn

Not a good idea to skip your homework Bronwyn. Getting a good education is the best way to learn to think rationally so you can avoid making the silly mistakes you have above.

July 19, 2012 at 3:37 am
(70) perspective says:

Look Your all looking at this the wrong way, the reason we want religion away with is because we think it will be better, but in my honest opinion the world would be in chaos. even for a short time and this would cause death, death is the last thing that we EVER want. even if it is a small number. and for sake of leaving an honest opinion, i believe that there is a God but his morals MAY be different.

July 20, 2012 at 2:47 am
(71) OZAtheist says:

perspective,

Are you going to try and make an argument to support this idea of yours.

You might consider that the most stable peaceful countries in the world are the least religious. On the other hand I doubt you will even acknowledge this because it conflicts with the decision you have made already – no doubt without a shred of evidence.

July 23, 2012 at 8:22 pm
(72) Bronwyn says:

Abraham Licoln thing:
To His care commending you, as I hope in your prayers you will commend me, I bid you an affectionate farewell.
–February 11, 1861 Farewell Address

Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him, who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust, in the best way, all our present difficulty.
–March 4, 1861 First Inaugural Address

The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong.
–September 1862 Meditation on the Divine Will

If I had had my way, this war would never have been commenced; If I had been allowed my way this war would have ended before this, but we find it still continues; and we must believe that He permits it for some wise purpose of his own, mysterious and unknown to us; and though with our limited understandings we may not be able to comprehend it, yet we cannot but believe, that he who made the world still governs it.
–October 26, 1862 Reply to Eliza Gurney

Nevertheless, amid the greatest difficulties of my Administration, when I could not see any other resort, I would place my whole reliance on God, knowing that all would go well, and that He would decide for the right.
–October 24, 1863 Remarks to the Baltimore Presbyterian Synod

On principle I dislike an oath which requires a man to swear he has not done wrong. It rejects the Christian principle of forgiveness on terms of repentance. I think it is enough if the man does no wrong hereafter.
–February 5, 1864 Memorandum to Secretary Stanton

Mmmmhmmm, took me five minutes…
That’s right.
Now what were you saying about skipping on homework?

July 23, 2012 at 8:35 pm
(73) Austin Cline says:

Mmmmhmmm, took me five minutes…

And that’s your problem. Superficiality.

Now what were you saying about skipping on homework?

You skipped quite a lot – like the fact that he never belonged to a Christian church and appears to have rejected most Christian doctrine. Not unlike most of the Founders.

I notice you also skipped all of the rest of what I wrote. That wasn’t a mistake on your part, was it? You couldn’t address any of it – and you could only address this one point by being as superficial as possible. This indicates that you know that everything you wrote was false. Sadly, you can’t seem to even admit this to yourself, never mind to anyone else.

July 23, 2012 at 8:40 pm
(74) Bronwyn says:

About whether the Bible is historically accurate:
http://christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a009.html
http://www.bibleevidences.com/archeology.htm
http://www.equip.org/articles/biblical-archaeology-factual-evidence-to-support-the-historicity-of-the-bible/
There are others, just search ‘archaeological evidence for the bible’ on Google. You can find stuff there.

July 23, 2012 at 8:48 pm
(75) Bronwyn says:

Yes, I agree that there have been horrendous occurences over religion, but have you noticed that a lot of the time the Dark Ages were aimed at OTHER CHRISTIANS, because they rejected the Catholic faith.

And that makes it OK?

^ Well, no, it doesn’t, but it doesn’t justify why you should attack religion for things that haven’t happened to you.
Religion in itself is pure and holy, it is just the people who run it who have serious flaws. It isn’t God’s fault that some people are over-zealous, it theirs. He didn’t create them that way. Sin infected them and intoxicated them, giving them defects.

And plus, I didn’t put that thingy up about Wodin or whatever.

July 23, 2012 at 8:57 pm
(76) Bronwyn says:

But really, I kind of agree with them.
So what if they got what he did wrong?
Odin, which you were talking about was mainly associated with war.
The Romans tended to absorb the cultures of those they conquered.
The Religions, thus, got a mixed up a little because of the copious influences poring into the empire.
The Norse people were conquered in 98AD.
The result? Well, a little obvious, don’t you think?
The Old English was more closely based on Latin than nowadays, so I think it is safe to say Wodin is also correct.

July 23, 2012 at 9:02 pm
(77) Bronwyn says:

Oohhh!

Actually, the Greeks did, at least as early as the 6th century BCE. This was before the Bible was put together.

But that doesn’t mean before it was WRITTEN. It would have taken AGES for people to put the Bible together, so we could say it is VERY likely that the bible stated this before the Greeks. And plus, it would be hard for scientific discoveries such as that to travel so quickly. XD

July 23, 2012 at 9:29 pm
(78) Austin Cline says:

About whether the Bible is historically accurate:

I want you to present the evidence you find credible. That’s the only way to debate any of it.

If you can’t do that, then your claim can’t be taken seriously.

You made the claim and it’s your obligation to provide your evidence.

but it doesn’t justify why you should attack religion for things that haven’t happened to you.

So, I shouldn’t criticize the Nazis because I was never thrown into a concentration camp?

That’s beyond stupid.

I don’t need to be personally harmed by an immoral system in order to criticize that system.

Religion in itself is pure and holy

OK, prove it.

It isn’t God’s fault

What god?

And plus, I didn’t put that thingy up about Wodin or whatever.

Yes, you did. You just used a different name when you posted. So not only did you write something patently false and absurd, you tried to do so deceptively.

Odin, which you were talking about was mainly associated with war.

Prove it.

The Old English was more closely based on Latin than nowadays

Old English wasn’t based on Latin at all.

But that doesn’t mean before it was WRITTEN. It would have taken AGES for people to put the Bible together, so we could say it is VERY likely that the bible stated this before the Greeks.

Prove it.

And plus, it would be hard for scientific discoveries such as that to travel so quickly.

In other words, the Greeks figured it out on their own. And they were human. Thus, your claim that humans couldn’t figure it out is proven false.

So you’ve just proven one of your claims was false. Congratulations.

August 12, 2012 at 2:55 am
(79) Konked says:

A world without religion is a world without morals? Nonsense.

Take women’s rights, rights of African Americans, and slavery for example.

the case for women’s rights was raised very recently, there is no mention of it in holy texts.

The case for rights for African Americans was rather recently too, no mention of it in holy texts.

Slavery was also made illegal rather recently, absolutely no mention of it in holy texts. The Koran and the Bible allowed slavery mind you, though both forms of slavery are rather different.

This goes to show that…

1) Holy texts were not well written enough to predict modern society

2)The use of logic and rationality can be used to decide what morals we follow and what we don’t. There is no need for scripture to tell us what to do. Especially when we have to cherry-pick the good bits out from holy texts, ignoring the bad bits.

(Bad bits: Stoning for apostasy, stoning for adultery (means a girl can get stoned for simply being raped), death for doing work on a Sunday, allowing the beating of slaves as long as they don’t die after the first hit, telling slaves to simply accept their cruel punishments because Christ did the same to his punishers etc.)

And Jude my dear, the Pope says that condoms (an effective way of preventing AIDS) are evil. he uses the power of he has in Roman Catholicism to preach to Africans to believe the same thing. Just so you know.

February 18, 2013 at 10:43 am
(80) Simona says:

Hi Guys,
This morning I was wondering the same question: Would the world be a better place without religions? and this is why I googled it and found this forum. I really enjoyed reading all your posts, I can relate with most of them, maybe our generation or the one next to us is preparing to one of the greatest revolution: the end of the Gods….
Now, from here to say that the world would be better without religion…my answer is: I don’t now.
I see lots of people, probably too much, still need to believe in their Gods, still need to have the threating of a hell or the price of a heaven in order to be a civil person and respect life. Lots of people still fear death and the unknown and search comfort in religions. Tons of people wants still justify some of their actions and don’t assume any responsibility with the excuse of destiny or for a greater design.
Considering these observations my conclusion is that this humanity, this world is not ready yet to drop their Gods but we are moving that way slowly and steady.
Personally my life is much better since I left behind the bigotry I was born and raised in. I do not have more fear but acceptance, life is so transitory and because of it I respect any manifestation of it. I do enjoy life much more now that I am an atheist than before when I was a Christian. I gained such kind of freedom that I cannot trade for any god….
Respectfully
Simona
P.S. Forgive my poor English, it is not my mother tongue.

June 14, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(81) Jeanne says:

I do believe that religion has outlived it’s usefulness. People will claim that religion serves as a moral guide, but never explain just how. It is moral to issue a fatwa against someone for writing a book? Is it moral to behead someone for insulting a prophet? Is it moral to wipe out entire villages because the people are worshiping the wrong god? Is it moral to criticize religions that have human sacrifice, such as the Aztecs, when one’s entire religious is based on a human sacrifice? Is it moral to rip open pregnant women because they happen to have been born to peoples other than the Israelites? Is it moral to kill a baby because if it’s parents adultery? (I am referring to the child of David and Bathsheba.) Is it moral to force a woman to marry her rapist? Is it moral for a “god” to issue ten commandments, four of which are orders on how to kiss his backside (assuming that he has a backside), but nothing about not keeping slaves, not raping, not beating one’s spouse, that molesting children is wrong. But don’t covet your neighbor’s wife, don’t work on the Sabbath, not to mention the ridiculous rules in the Old Testament that can get you killed if you disobey them, such as wearing the wrong combination of materials in your clothing, spilling one’s “seed” on the ground, etc. It would seem that the biblical god stresses unimportant matters.

July 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm
(82) Mauricio says:

We dont have evidence that god exists or not, but religion have had for millenia an impact in every human culture and society of this planet, from the maya to the roman, Religion activities and traditions defined the moral, traits and behavior of different cultures. If we want remove all religion from every culture in this planet, what it will mean? we will have to stop all traditions that not make sense. Do we need to start a “purge” of religions ideas and re educate all people of the world to comply to a universal culture, where only science and reason has a word to say and decide?

July 12, 2013 at 7:11 pm
(83) David says:

You can’t disprove god

The disproof of god is after 6 thousand years of recorded history, there is not one shred of evidence of any god. That is the proof.

July 19, 2013 at 3:46 pm
(84) Jim Lee says:

One only has to look at past recorded history as to how religions bring about killing each other in the name of a God. Been going on for centuries and it’s still happening throughout the globe.

July 19, 2013 at 3:48 pm
(85) Jim Lee says:

One only has to look at past recorded history as to how religions bring about killing each other in the name of a God. Been going on for centuries and it’s still happening throughout the globe.
No one can prove a God exists either.

July 20, 2013 at 10:39 am
(86) Grandp in the East says:

The disproof of “Christ” is after the past 2000 thousand years of recorded history, there is not one shred of evidence, outside the “Church.” That is proof. No?

January 12, 2014 at 2:57 am
(87) Spectator says:

If religion did not exist throughout all of the history of mankind, the world in present times would be incomprehensible. Religion has been fundamental for the human experience.

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