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By Austin Cline, About.com Guide to Atheism since 1998

IRA: Still Violent Thugs

Saturday May 21, 2005
Not long ago, I wrote about how the IRA were little more than thugs despite the "glorious cause" they had fought for over so many years. Unfortunately, it appears that they are determined to remain thugs rather than adopting any sort of moral high ground.

The Independent reports that five sisters who have been seeking justice for a brother who was murdered by the IRA have themselves been threatened:

The five sisters, who have been locked in a battle with republicans since their brother was stabbed to death outside a Belfast bar in January, said police had told them of a threat to burn their homes. ... The threat also extended to Robert's fiancée, Bridgeen Hagans, and to a sandwich bar run by one of the sisters, Donna.

One of the sisters, Catherine McCartney, said she believed the threat had come from within republicanism. She added: "For the past three months we have been asking the movement to stop protecting the criminals who murdered Robert that night. And now today after our campaign, we get a threat saying our houses are going to be burned down. I'm not frightened for myself personally but I have four children here, from 13-years-old down, so I have to take it seriously for them."

The Independent doesn't think that the threats have come from the IRA itself, but the IRA has refused to turn the guilty men over to the authorities. They know who the men are, but are doing nothing to see that justice is done. They have, then, created the conditions where men like that can murder someone over a dispute in a bar and then get away with it, so they are ultimately responsible for the threats and for whatever happens to the sisters.

Mark Kleiman notes:

[W]omen are going to have to learn to keep their place sometime, aren't they? Mark my words: if you start to let women complain in public when their family members are murdered, they're going to want the vote next.

That would be horrible, wouldn't it?

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August 12, 2007 at 1:41 pm
(1) Seamus Mac Giolla Padraig says:

You my atheist friend are not only a fool, but a vicious one. Robert Mcartney was killed in a move unsanctioned by the Provos leadership, in a bar room brawl. If a sports team member killed someone, and got his friends to clean up the evidence, does that make the team itself “violent thugs.” Are you irish? Have you lived through the troubles? No, you live in America, whihc seems to feel an obligation to interfere in any United Irish Politics. Perhaps, Mr Cline, you should try and be more subjective about what you write about, as opposed to blindly writing about our people through the eyes of hatred of our Taig roots. Taig means Catholic by the way, they probably didn’t teach how to speak our way at Pennsylvania uni! Tiocfaidh Ar La!

August 12, 2007 at 1:55 pm
(2) Austin Cline says:

You my atheist friend are not only a fool, but a vicious one.

I haven’t killed or threatened anyone.

Robert Mcartney was killed in a move unsanctioned by the Provos leadership, in a bar room brawl.

And that’s why the people who did it, the people who are hiding the people who did it, and the people who threatened the sisters are not thugs, right?

If a sports team member killed someone, and got his friends to clean up the evidence, does that make the team itself “violent thugs.”

The ones who did it, yes.

Are you irish? Have you lived through the troubles? No, you live in America, whihc seems to feel an obligation to interfere in any United Irish Politics.

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that applying basic principles of moral decency to the violent actions of thugs constituted “interference.”

Perhaps, Mr Cline, you should try and be more subjective about what you write about, as opposed to blindly writing about our people through the eyes of hatred of our Taig roots.

Your roots are irrelevant here, unless you wish to argue that they provide some justification to people acting like violent thugs.

Taig means Catholic by the way, they probably didn’t teach how to speak our way at Pennsylvania uni!

They didn’t teach me to kill, cover up killings, and threaten people either. Amazing, that.

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