In A Brief History of Death, Douglas J. Davies writes:
It was only some two hundred years before the time of Jesus of Nazareth - interpreted as the new Adam who is obedient to God - that some Jews began developing the idea of the resurrection of the dead, in an act of divine vindication of the righteous. It was an idea that ran alongside the notion of atonement, the belief that suffering could counteract the effect of sin and restore ruptured relations with God. Suffering in this life could serve an atoning function, while death itself, which was more of a process of dying than an instantaneous moment, also served to atone for sins.
These ideas came together in the interpretation of the life of Jesus as a saving passion: suffering and death were interpreted as making atonement for the sins of all and of bringing into sharp profile a fulfilment of the divine covenant. The immensely popular film The Passion of the Christ, directed by Mel Gibson in 2004, brought to the screen perhaps the most extensive pictorial displays of Jesus' suffering and death ever witnessed in cinema.
The idea of suffering having a transactional value plays an important role in Christianity. According to traditional, orthodox Christian soteriology (study of salvation), humanity is mired in sin and, because of this sin, deserves eternal punishment in Hell. Fortunately, God loves humanity and doesn't want to see us suffer. To keep us out of Hell, God sent his son to suffer and die in our place, thus paying our cosmic debt and freeing us from sin -- but only if we actually believe this story first.
This assumes, however, that the suffering and death of one individual can suffice to replace the suffering (eternal torment in Hell) of any other person or any group of people. Suffering must have transactional value -- it must be something that can be traded in exchange for other things that have transactional value, whether other suffering or something different entirely. Work has transactional value. I can do work for you (like chopping wood) for a couple of hours and thereby relieve some debt I owe you because, in the end, you possess something (chopped wood) that you value as much as what I owed you.
Can the same be said for suffering? I don't think so. If I suffer over the space of a couple of hours, what are you left with that has value such that a debt I owe you can be relieved? At most, one might argue that you gain the value of seeing me suffer and that has value because you hate me and wish my ill -- but that would suggest that you are a sadist, not that suffering has transactional value.
Could someone else suffer in my place to pay my debt? Someone else could chop wood in my place, and then I would owe them rather than you. That same does not seem to be true of suffering, though. Even if we take the more extreme case and imagine that you would derive pleasure from my suffering, such that you would accept that in exchange for a debt I owe you, we couldn't conclude that you would accept the suffering of someone else in my place unless you are a general sadist and would take pleasure in the suffering of any random person.
Let's take a look at what Nietzsche had to say on the idea that there can be any connection between suffering and the repayment of debts -- or, to use the Christian term, "atonement":
Let me pose the question once more: to what extent can suffering be a compensation for "debts"? To the extent that making someone suffer provides the highest degree of pleasure, to the extent that the person hurt by the debt, in exchange for the injury and for the distress caused by the injury, got an offsetting pleasure - making someone suffer - a real feast, something that, as I've said, was valued all the more, the greater the difference between him and the rank and social position of the creditor. [Genealogy of Morality, Section 6]
Thus, if suffering is to have any sort of transactional value, it would only be for sadists who take pleasure in seeing the suffering of others. For everyone else, suffering isn't something that can serve as "a debit entry in some ledger." What, then, would that say about a god which required that someone suffer in order to pay off any sort of debt? What does it say about Christianity that it takes such sadism, places it as the very heart of religion, and calls it all good?


I’m not a skilled philosopher or theologian but I feel that your focus on “suffering” being the transactional item seems incorrect (at least to me it does). Suffering is a result of the punishment or debt due to us for failing God’s law – not the punishment or debt itself. The punishment ultimately is separation from God, who is perfectly good and with Whom we were intended to exist in harmony. Taken from God’s presence we will suffer. When Jesus bore the sins of mankind, he was removed from a perfect harmony with God the father and as a result He suffered. By taking that punishment He made possible the appropriation of grace on an individuals part.
Also, it seems the notion of substitutionary atonement is long established in early Judaism and not just something cooked up shortly before Christianity.
Then can you demonstrate that suffering does have transactional value?
No? I didn’t think so.
Can you show how suffering can remit a debit?
This claim depends upon us ignoring the extent to which the physical torture was clearly depicted as a source of suffering. Basically, we have to ignore the fact that Jesus was given over to the most humiliating and painful sort of execution which the Romans had to offer.
Hi Austin, thanks for responding.
I think we might be misunderstanding each other. My understanding of your posting is that you hold that a Christian believes he is relieved of his debt to God because Jesus suffered and died in his place. You then make the case that suffering cannot have any transactional value to relieve a debt.
Would you say thats a fair summary? If so, here is where my response is coming from…
The point I was trying to make was that your focus on suffering alone not having any transactional value is misplaced and thus irrelevant to atonement. I am not arguing your particular point about suffering and its transactional worth and so don’t feel I need to prove whether it has any transactional value or the ability to relieve debt.
Since we are talking about the Christian worldview, we should look at to what Christians believe the penalty of their sins are. This is found in the Bible and most succinctly in Romans 6:23; “For the wages of sin is death,”. As such, to have substitutionary atonement for our penalty, death is the only necessary transactional item.
The topic of Jesus being a suffering servant talks more about the weight of God’s grace and nothing about His justice.
Now if I have completely misunderstood your original point then I’ll let you tell me that and have the last say since this is your blog and therefore your privilege
Thanks.
According to most theories of atonement.
According to the satisfaction theory of atonement, Jesus’ suffering makes “restitution” for what owe God. This replaced the older ransom theory of atonement, according to which Jesus’ suffering was a means for ransoming our souls. A most popular view of atonement, the substitutionary theory, holds that Jesus was crucified in order to bear the penalty of our sins so we don’t have to. In all three theories of atonement, suffering must have transactional value for them to work.
Indeed, this is inherent in the very concept of atonement itself: to pay for or expiate one’s sins. In all cases, the atonement comes through suffering: either Jesus suffers for us (su
If that were true, then Jesus would not need to suffer. In reality, Christians believe that the suffering was prophesied and essential. Every standard theological explanation of atonement focuses on the importance of the suffering — it is an essential and inextricable facet of Christian theology that Jesus had to suffer for us. Theologians debate the whys and the details, but there is agreement on the critical importance of suffering. If Jesus had had an aneurysm and died peacefully in his sleep, it wouldn’t have worked the same.
I’d quote at length all the Catholic and Protestant theologians who write about how Jesus’ suffering is supposed to help us, but I just don’t feel like it. Follow the above links instead.
Hellkid?…et.al…
The fact that what we now “know” from Science…that the whole “Garden of Eden” scenario (obviously nothing more than another kindergarten mythology) is ludicrous; doesn’t seem to bother in the least the average Abrahamic god believer.
The outrageous notion…in essence, an arch-typical blaming the victim, doctrinal monstrosity…i.e… punishing us humans; albeit, dragged, as we are, into this existence, without ANY choice whatsoever…then blaming us for something we had absolutely nothing to do with (we weren’t there!), is totally outrageous. And…as Jean Paul Sartre pointed out in one of his plays…there’s “No Exit” allowed. One possible reason why Nietzsche (I’m somewhat guessing) declared:
“Existence is Absurd!”
IOW, the Christian/Muslim version, in particular, of the Abrahamic (privileged/spoiled brat?) god is the epitome of all manner of mean-spirited cruelty and IN-justice. I’m referring, of course, to the insidious notion of Eternal damnation…absolutely endless torturing punishment, for simply not believing in the obviously tyrannical Abrahamic deity. In particular, according to Christians…that’d be Jesus.
[Interestingly(?), the Jews…the original instigators of that brand of mythological bull-pucky (borrowing and stealing, of course from several earlier mythologies) do NOT perpetrate that horror on their particular flock.
On that note…
Here are the links to a Christopher Hitchens (nicely Illustrated) YouTube two parter; which rather succinctly covers the whole aspect of the actual IM-morality of that brand of…erm…bat-sh*t insanity…
as well as commonly indoctrinated, totally imaginary, religious “notions” in general.
“Christopher Hitchens Religion Illustrated 1 of 2″:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF5S-DIp80c&feature=related
And…
“Christopher Hitchens Religion Illustrated 2 of 2″:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS4ZCQlLQu8&feature=related
Scapegoat: a goat upon whose head are placed symbolically the sins of the people after which he is sent into the wilderness in the biblical ceremony of Yom Kippur.
Is scapegoating built into human DNA? Isn’t it found in every culture because it is believed to give a society control over the future? Is it the ultimate basis for religious belief?