“We think we are losing our heritage as a Christian nation,” [Pastor Terry] Jones said as one of the reasons the church put up the sign.
Jones said Islam’s growing popularity in the United States needs to be addressed because Christians are not standing up for what they believe in.
“To be a Christian, you would have to agree with that sign,” Jones said.
Source: The Independent Florida Alligator
Pastor Terry Jones probably has a point — though only one. We are not "losing our heritage as a Christian nation" because America has never been a "Christian nation" in any sense except that a majority of people have been Christian in some way and that isn't changing. It's not the case that "Christians are not standing up for what they believe in." On the contrary, they do it quite a lot. If anything is a problem, it's that Christians keep trying to inject their religion into secular politics.
Where pastor Terry Jones may have something of a point is the idea that Christians should agree with his sign. If one accepts the orthodox Christian doctrine that Christianity is the only legitimate religion, then Christians have to reject the idea that Islam is valid. If Christians accept that Jesus was the Son of God and died on the cross, then they not only have to reject the Muslim teachings about Jesus only being a prophet as false, but in fact have to regard them as heresy. Now, where else would a false religion teaching heresy come form is not the devil?
So while it may not be the case that Christians have to agree with Jones' sign exactly as it reads, it should be hard for them to dismiss it and protest it like this.
[Pastor Terry Jones] said the sign is not meant to attack individuals but to attack the religion of Islam because it is oppressive and violent.
This is the part of the story which I find especially interesting. Jones' statement is certainly consistent with the Christian insistence that they should "hate the sin but love the sinner," though one can often be hard pressed to find Christians behaving in a manner that can be described as "loving" the sinner (especially with certain "sins," like homosexuality). However, Christians even more rarely accept this sort of distinction when their own religion is the subject — for example, when atheists are critical of Christianity.
It's much more common for Christians to treat any critique of Christianity like a personal attack. If atheists say that Christianity is immoral, unreasonable, or violent, how many Christians wouldn't take that as a personal attack on them as individuals? Of course criticism of an ideology shouldn't be taken as an automatic attack on a person (especially if the critique is phrased correctly), but in reality too few people seem able to make this distinction when their own ideology is being considered.
So, would this sign count as blasphemy under the recently enacted laws of Ireland?
One tenet common to almost all religion is that all other religions are wrong and evil. That infidels must be killed or converted. i’m glad MOST religious people seem to be ignoring the latter part.
Which makes the situation with the sign somewhat ironic because if they acknowledged and helped maintain the seperation of church and state, instead of trying to weaken and tear it down at every opportunity, they would have liitle worry about another religion, such as Islam, growing in numbers in the U.S. Even if Islam became the majority religion in the U.S. within the next few decades, the seperation clauses in the constitution would still apply to them just as much as it does Christianity or any other religion. However, they are concerned because they realize, on some level, that their arguments against seperation only work so long as they are the ones in the majority.
Mr, Jeremy needs to study other countries where Islam has gained majority status and then study the results of the political reality of that majority. Islam, as a majority, never allows any other religion to exist. Our separation of church and state will evaporate under their majority with no regard for our current laws.
Actually your wrong LloydO. Islam teaches to be kind, compassionate, and merciful to Gods creation. Real Muslims who are actually practicing their religion believe to be kind to believers and non-believers. So if Islam was the dominant religion in the U.S. It doesnt mean that the U.S. would become taken over and demolished. You guys have been spoon fed to believe what the media wants you to believe. If you focus on the good things about Islam then you wouldnt care if Islam becomes dominate in the U.S. Islam asks for alms of 2.5% of Muslims’ income to care for the needy. The Quran often fills in historical gaps left by the Bible. For example, rape was a capital crime in ancient Egypt (actually in most societies–until recently), yet, the Patriarch Joseph was imprisoned, rather than executed [Genesis 39:7-20]. Why was that? The Sura, “Yusuf” (“Joseph”), clarifies: Potiphar’s (The Quran calls him by his title, Aziz) wife was a known liar, but to prevent Potiphar from losing face, Joseph had to suffer some punishment–an unfortunately too-common occurance throughout history! [See Quran 12:27-33].The Muslims didn’t just preserve knowledge; they extended it. For example, the bane of high school freshmen everywhere, algebra, was a Muslim invention, from 1,000 years ago. So look at both sides before you start judging peoples beliefs.
The Devil, of course, is fictional. But this sign is correct, that Islam is evil. But then, so are the Christianity and Judaism it plagiarised.
And yes, to believe Christian dogma of course you must accept that Islam is evil. Fortunately, for this and many other things, most Christians do not follow very much Christian dogma.
All organized religion comes from souless evil.
Of course Islam is evil, just as ALL religions are evil, including the religion of the church that says Islam is evil. But Islam wins the gold medal hands down, which is not surprising when you consider its beginnings!
The examination of any religion should begin with its roots.
However, I would like correct a misnomer here — Islam is NOT a religion; it is an ideology born of the devil, Mohammed, Islam’s founder, and pervades every single facet of a Muslim’s life.
According to Koranic history, Mohammed displayed all the classic symptoms of epilepsy. Many of his “visions” came to him in a cave located at Hira, about three miles outside Mecca, where he often went.
Why a cave?
Periodically, epileptics are sensitive to light and prefer darkness, hence his visits to that dark cave, despite which he often had fits there and became incoherent, which led his companions to believe he was in touch with allah through the angel Gabriel, as he claimed.
His seizures at home are verified by his favorite wife, Aisha, in the Hadiths.
Other symptoms of epilepsy are “sudden and recurrent disturbances in mental function, momentary lapses of awareness, bizarre behavior, strange memories, illusory and hallucinatory experiences, and changes in mood.”
People with temporal lobe epilepsy (TLE) often report visions, contact with spirit beings, and revelations, and can become focused on religious themes. Sounds like Islam’s founder to me!
He said that the revelations he received came from god thru Gabriel while he was in a trance, in visions or in dreams. Well, we all know what an extra piece of cheese can do to us late at night.
Today, of course, epileptics are treated and can live normal lives.
The extraordinary thing is that so many believed Mohammed, or at least humored him, knowing that he had a violent temper, but, like the Mafia, there was and is an ultimatum that goes with Islam.
If you leave, you die, which has a knack of keeping one’s members “loyal.”
What Mohammed did as leader of a band of robbers is well-documented and beyond belief, and one wonders how such an evil individual ever came to be revered so much, but later came Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini, and humans are so unpredictable!
Yes, I fully concur! Islam is evil!
^ Hey, Jolly Jack…Thanks for that!
You’ve expressed, very cogently IMO, exactly what should be said MUCH more often…even much more publicly…exposing the TRUE facts about the obviously insane beginnings of various…dangerous…religious ‘Baloney’. It’s also become increasingly important for us secularist atheists to NOT shut up; considering Nuclear weapons and all the various ‘whackjob’, “Rapture Ready” style and other Apocalyptic agendas; which are dogmatically inherent in every one of the Abrahamic, monotheist, mythologies.
(To counter that, now somewhat famous, Richard Dawkins imagery):
“Hmmm…maybe we atheist “cats”…CAN be herded?
What!…”MEE-OW-HA”!!!…???
The point is this: JESUS is the truth. He is the son of the living God and He died on the cross for our sins -to forgive us- to save us -and HE is resurected from the dead and sits alive at the right hand of the father. Jesus is the only one that can save us. Anything else is just wrong.
Islam is a very dangerous demonic thing. It is very deceptive and leads people on a straight path to hell- and everybody is ok with that.
As soon as somebody is bold enough to speak the truth then people have problem.
This is the point for the signs being out – because we want people to see JESUS.
if you really beileve that jesus is the son of god do your mind really believe that a god can die for your sins can’t he forgive your sins without being tortured?
you are a normal pearson do your father torture you to forgive the other’s sins?ofcourse not
so how can the creator of this world torture his son to forgive you!
beside islam is the holest religion!do you know why?because we believe in jesus and christians and all other religion but not as son of god but as a prophet that god helped him to publish the finest religion which is :ISLAM
another word:if their were 2 gods why didn’t each one ofe them chose his way to create people ,why didn’t one get the sun from east and the other from west why are all creatures lead you to 1 god?
finally i wanted to say
ur religion which is islam and i am so proud of being a good muslim(because not all muslim are muslims and not all christians are good ones?) islam taught us to not to say something wrong about other religions and that we should accept all other religion
so if you really say that you are christian i don’t believe so because christians accept other religions and there is a day where we will meet to see who was true?
Look. Let people believe what they want to believe. If they are accepting Islam as their religion then who are you to stop them. America has FREEDOM of RELIGION. So its the peoples choice to believe what they want.
(8) Jessi says:
>>>>The point is this: JESUS is the truth. He is the son of the living God and He died on the cross for our sins -to forgive us- to save us -and HE is resurected from the dead and sits alive at the right hand of the father. Jesus is the only one that can save us. Anything else is just wrong.
And you know of this, how?
>>>>Islam is a very dangerous demonic thing. It is very deceptive and leads people on a straight path to hell- and everybody is ok with that.
They say the same about christianity, how exactly do you know you are right. If people who believed in Poseidon, or Zeus, Mars, etc. etc were right? Both Islam and christian people are f**ked
>>>>As soon as somebody is bold enough to speak the truth then people have problem.
This is the point for the signs being out – because we want people to see JESUS.
How about christians blowing their top off when they see a sign promoting atheistic views, maybe it’s about time atheists start complaining about all the ridiculous signs promoting religion.
Not all the Islamic people are terrorist,
but ALL the terrorist are Islamic
so i agree with Pastor Terry Jones about attacking the religion of Islam because it is oppressive and violent.
Except for the terrorists who are Jews. And Christians. And Hindus. And even atheists.
So basically, “all terrorists are Islamic” is only true for people who are in complete and utter denial of reality.
Jolly Jack says:
Of course Islam is evil, just as ALL religions are evil, including the religion of the church that says Islam is evil.
Mr. Jolly injected names like Hira and Hadieth and Iasha to give the impression that he in knowledgeable and knows history. This works for those who are ignorant on Islam and Islamic history. I urge those who are interested in seeking the truth to read any book on the history of Islam or the life of the prophet Muhammed (PBUH). You will discover very quickly that the Jolly is an out right lying individual. For just an opener, there are 6616 verses in the holly Quran. Only the 1st 5 verses were revealed in Hira cave. How is that for dishonest who says “Many of his “visions” came to him in a cave located at Hira”. Some people really have no shame.
There is no such thing as a religion which is seamless. There are Jews who are disgusted with Israel. There are Muslims who are disgusted with the oppression of women. There are Christians who think fundamentalist liars are wrong. All religions are rackets, but that doesn’t mean all members are racketeers.
my mother was a saint bar none and a good christian; but she also stated, “christianity is violent, terroristic, but it was evolving.
mom refused to acknowledge st. johns instruction, because he demanded women walk 10 paces behind her husband, he also demanded women be subordinate to their men as the head of the household.
if she refused, she could have been stoned or some other type of terroristic treatment.
From very recent events, and memory, the U S A has several hundred thousand terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. The absolute majority of them professing Christianity. This same terrorist organisation also has deployment around the globe in at least forty six countries.
You call them patriots, serving, militarily, their country. I call them mercenaries serving corporate masters. War IS terrorism, if you don’t agree then war you have never seen.
Since there is no evidence of anything called a “soul”, I would stand by:
All religion comes from mindless evil.
Tom Edgar, I agree with you completely. I flew from Baton Rouge to Boston Wednesday morning. I saw several soldiers in the terminals at Baton Rouge, Atlanta, and Boston on my return trip last night; this was repeated on the return trip. I call them “Storm Troopers”.
Correctio. My next to last last sentence should say “I saw several soldiers in the terminals at Baton Rouge, Atlanta, and Boston; this was repeated on my return trip last night”.
M.Ahmed says (No. 12) that I am a liar.
Disingenuously, he urges “those who are interested in seeking the truth to read any book on the history of Islam or the life of the prophet Muhammed.” I assume he means books written by Muslims, of course!
Two years ago, I wrote to the leader of the group Free Muslim Coalition, seeking the truth, and posing several questions about certain verses in the Koran. Sad to say, he failed to address even one of my questions.
Here are some of those questions, which I now pose to you, Mr. Ahmed:
2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them.
5:33 The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides…
8:12 I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye abcve their necks and smite all the fingertips off them.
8:17 It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah.
9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah…
9:39 Unless ye go forth (for Jihad), He will pay you with a grievous penalty…
9:79 O Prophet, strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.
47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks…
48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and his messenger, we have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a blazing fire.
Sounds just like Mohammed would have sounded in the 7th century!
I could, of course, go on and on about the contents of the Koran and Hadiths, about the various things said by Mohammed on a variety of subjects, from marriage and sex to women, food, clothing and morals, but they’d only make a normal person want to puke or laugh.
And this is the person you revere?
No, Mr. Ahmed, I do NOT want to be enlightened by your ideological system, which you call a religion. In any case, books written by Muslims about Mohammed and Islam would only be sanitized versions of the truth.
Why do you believe all this silly nonsense, Mr. Ahmed?
The answer, of course, is that you grew up with it as a child, but now that you are an adult, don’t you think it’s about time that you seriously examined Islam? Are you too dumb to understand that, like all religions, Islam is just another form of control through fear?
We are now in the 21st century, yet you willingly allow others to hold you back in the 7th.
Don’t get me wrong, Mr. Ahmed. Christianity, like all religions, is also evil, but Islam is in a class all its own!!!!!!
LEST WE FORGET…
September 1st is the fifth anniversary of the almost forgotten Beslan atrocity. The full story was never published at the time.
In particular, the Islamic involvement was censored. The MSM never reported the child-rapes or other typically Islamic aspects, even though the children were being knifed to shouts of ‘Allah Akhbar’.
The full uncensored story can be found in the links under ‘BESLAN – Child rape, torture and ritual murder’ at The Religion of Peace™ Subject Index
Yes, Islam is of the Devil. The Beslan massacre shows the truly Satanic vileness of this predatory murder-cult.
all the religions are the product of socio.economic system. its begin face was superstitution. with the passage of time it develop and become a collection of superstition and later become a religion.they were not created by god or goddess. the creatores of all the religions were human itself. if you go indept you would find this fact.
M. Ahmed (12). You and Xtian fundamentalists seem to share at least one (1) attribute; preach and run.
AGB
Preach and Run… Hardly an attribute more like a common collective flaw, one amongst many.
Tom, I was using the definition “inherent characteristic” for attribute, which I believe M. Ahmed possesses; I also agree with your assessment of Preach and Run.
M.Ahmed says (No. 12) that I am a liar.
Disingenuously, he urges “those who are interested in seeking the truth to read any book on the history of Islam or the life of the prophet Muhammed.” I assume he means books written by Muslims, of course!
Well when you want to learn about christianity, you dont go asking jews, hindus or muslims about it, you ask a christian. So its kind of the same, if you want to learn about islam you ask a muslim or read about it in a book about islam.
you know when you post things about different religion when you haven’t even spent enough time reading or actually learning the truth, all you do is post false accusations. Unless you plan on posting truth about religions by backing it up with your sources, its not even worth reading. We can all lie on the internet.
I hate to tell this pastor but this is not a christian nation and most christians do not find Islam to be evil or of the devil. This pastor is a crackpot and a sham!
this is a respone to Miserable Jolly Jack,
I am not realy interested in arguing with you, just was looking, sadly, at the news of this T-shirt and came across your silly arguments.
I am a graduate student in homeland security and doing my research on jihadism (where I am doing an anlysis on the jihad related verses in the Quran). Just to let you know,
You argument is rather falacious, because you made a major, and probably inetional, mistake of taking those verses out of context. I can now count tens of similar verses from tbe Bible that show how terrorist the bible is (if I did as you did by taking them out of context).
one example would be: Luke 19: 26-27 “but this enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them and slay them in my presence”.
the conclusion of this verse for stupid like you is : WOW!!!!!! CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL.
But NO, nor Chritianity, nor Islam are evil in this regard.
there are tens of other verses like this in the bible that you can look up. (you probably won’t, since you would rather wathc foxnews or go to church).
Although it is early to tell about the conclusion of my research, I feel comfortable to tell that Islam is so peacfull, and so misunderstood.
Please, must talk about Islam in a way better than that … A religion of heavenly revelation from God Almighty .. let us reason, not intolerance of chronic heart and apparent in the way of dialogue (most of you not thinking about such and I can attest that) Let’s talk about one and a half billion Muslims around the globe ….. Why are Muslims (why Islam arrived in the east and west, north and south to Islam arrived in the United States itself and to the penetration inside) MS
This is in response to #27 Me.
You claim that you are studying the Quran and jihad in your homeland security studies. I applaud you for that because there is a stunning lack of understanding of Islam among today’s leaders!
However, let me start with one fallacy which YOU make. You go to the usual Christianity and Islam equivalency argument. This is false.
I could believe some of your argument if you could point out where Christians around the world are killing people simply because they are not Christians. Are there some cases? Sure. But 90% of the killing in the name of religion today, of terrorism, of killing someone simply because he is of a different religion comes from Islam.
And ALL of them who do it base their killings on the Quran and the EXAMPLE (hadiths) of Muhammed!
Me, if you are honestly researching, then I would also suggest you learn what the following are:
1. Abrogation
2. Taqqiya
3. Dhimmi
Me, you say “I feel comfortable to tell that Islam is so peacfull, and so misunderstood.”
With that ONE statement you have proven to me that you you have NOT studied with an open mind. You are either willing trying to mislead people here or you are intellectually inept. “SO peaceful and SO misunderstood”!
No the problem is that 90% of the conflicts currently going on in the world today are due to Islam. And that has been the verdict of history for almost 1400 years.
Are there “peaceful” verses in the Quran? Yes! But almost every one of them has been abrogated by more violent verses to “KILL THE INFIDEL” and preaching hatred against Jews (who are called the ‘sons of pigs and apes’ by Muslims and Muhammed) and Christians.
FIVE TIMES A DAY Muslims pray AGAINST Christians and Jews!
Islam clearly states that its goal is for the ENTIRE world to be under the rule of Islam and that ALL other religions would cease to exist and “worship is for Allah ALONE!” And EVERY Muslim is honor bound to work toward that end.
Me, you are at the best uninformed. At the worst, dishonest in trying to mislead people.
PLEASE, continue to study with an OPEN mind and not a mind that has already been made up that Islam is the “Religion of Peace”! NOTHING could be FURTHER from the truth!
it is true “I feel comfortable to tell that Islam is so peacfull, and so misunderstood.
but is christians really understanding their religions?
did jesus taught them to burn other religios book(quraan)?
we in lebanon had a movie that talks about jesus from a good point of view we did not publish it because christians told us that they dont believe in the BERNABA copy,we listened to them and we deleted it and didn’t say anything because it is their religion and we should respect them
and other religions should respect us
Unlike Christianity which doesn’t teach that it is the only valid religion, which doesn’t encourage followers to convert everyone else, and which hasn’t ever tried to suppress any other religion.
Oh, wait…
any doubts? Islam is of the devil. Did we all forget Lucifer is an angel just like Gabriel or Michael? If Quran has God’s words, why won’t He talk to Mohammed directly? Didn’t He do it with Abraham or Moses? Lucifer instructed Mohammed to write Quran because he wanted to elevate himself like God. Also there are offensive words against Jews in Quran. Any devout Muslim cannot view another person as a humanbeing, he can only view another person as a Muslim or non-Muslim. It is so simple and easy to realize Islam is of the devil and all Muslims unknowlingly pray to Lucifer and his armies.
I disagree Islam is not of a devil. Islam is a religion of peace and it completes the way of life. Before you ignorantly speak about Islam go educate yourself about Islam and then come and talk and judge the religion. None of you are Muslims so how could you know, understand, or judge Islam. If you have no knowledge of something then don’t speak of it.
Wow another one!!! I’m amazed at how you people are so easily misled by the ‘church’! The church has always portrait it as being above the ‘bible’, they corrupted it….killed millions for their mission to establish the roman hegemony over christianity, encouraged paganism (why the heck do you observe ‘sun’day as the day of worship then) and you fools take every word of the church as the ‘word of god’! The Church itself is of the ‘devil’ not Islam!… Also I’m quite amazed to see how easily some of you abuse prophet mohammad (pbuh) but have you seen any muslim abusing jesus (pbuh)! We believe in Jesus (pbuh). He was a messenger of Allah! But all of you who claim to be his followers ie. the Christians (especially the Roman Catholics) are actually an abomination to him! You are followers of the Satan, Iblis or Lucifer (whatever you may call him) not us! Got that!!!
WOW. I AM AMAZED
This earth is MUCH OLDER than Any holy book.
Why are there so many moronic religious brainwashed?
Amazing…
Go attack each other…
Not all muslims are suicide bombers, but all suicide bombers are muslim. I’ve lived and grown up beside an islamic community and only sadism can maintain so much hate. Mohammed murdered 800 Christian children and women. He married an 8 year old child. He forced religion on countries with huge armies and beheaded anyone who would not convert. This is the word of their God, Allah, which is not the same as the Christian God. Translations of the Qur’an have been corrupted to be more acceptable to the Western culture and large sections removed. Only the true Qur’an can be read in Arabic as their god cannot understand any other language. Anyone is allowed to lie and cheat as long as it’s in the name of their god. The closer people behave to Mohammed, the higher their chance of getting into their (brothel) heaven. If they kill infidels in the name of islam they are guaranteed a place in heaven. The only time peace will come on earth is when the whole world is islamic and follows sharia law. Don’t underestimate it, they are already at war with us. BTW I’m an atheist, it’s not just christians that should be worried.
from where did you get these?
did you really know about our prophet mohammad?
god wrote quraan in arabic because it is the finest language
we not like (enjeel) have alot of copies and languages we have one common book with one common language not each one with different quotes and different writer
Prove it.
It was written in Arabic because Arabic hasn’t changed. It’s still the same as ever. Most other languages have changed and none more so than English.
This amuses me so… I wonder how Pastor Terry feels about shotgun wielding clergymen shooting abortion doctors, or a man saying God told him to go to war in Iraq. The problem is that all religion, whether it stems from the sons of Abraham or elsewhere promotes seperation, and is the root cause of 90% of the aggression in the world.
Why would you call a religion evil, if you’re promoting your own religion? Wouldn’t this cause someone to question their own religion if you’re supposed to love everyone.
“Mohammed married an 8 year old” lol, do you really believe this or did CNN tell you this, why don’t you research the information yourself or study the religion before you make false accusations. Slander is a sin. First of all she was 9 when she was promised to him, but he didn’t marry her until she was 16. She had an almost perfect memory, at 9 she memorized the quran, 114 surahs or chapters, thousands of stories within stories.
(36) Religion doesn’t support separation, people support separation, people go to war in the name of religion, people kill each other in the name of religion, and so on. Its not the religion’s fault, humans are to err, that’s why there is religion to follow a guideline that you can’t just do whatever you wish to do, because the will of the people isn’t the will of God. Who knows what the will of God is, but if God is perfect and he sent down religion in his words to follow and to come as close to perfection as you can. You will always fail or commit sin but then you repent, learn and reapply.
dears , some of you atacks islam , while thay do not truely know it.
please don t judge islam from muslim behavior in this days, or from thoughts coming from radikalik thoughters at some various times , situations, but please clear your souls from any hate , anger
see the below link ,, about science and koran
think b4 meeting god
http://www.answering-christianity.com
Why not? Muslims are best example of what Islam ultimately is, since Islam is defined more by the behavior of Muslims than by anything else.
All praise to God almighty who is the creator of the heaven and the earth. May God shower his blessings upon you, your family, your dear ones and everyone who cares for you.
I do not consider, any discussion we may have over here can preclude someone from doing what he intends to do in his personal capacity. That is independence we all wish to enjoy. I respect that, everyone should. The matter of the act being right or wrong is between him and God. If anyone out of sheer hatred intends to burn a book that he carries/holds/owns its upto him. That book must be worthy of such a disgrace that rather than wasting/selling/exchanging, the owner/holder decided to burn it. What I have not been able to understand here is why would a person be liking to burn a book that he never owned / studied. At least one should see for himself what that book holds in itself is nothing more than praise to the God (the common God we all share), guidance for our way of life, preaching for taking care of the rights of the people around us and many other things that are HARMLESS. Why would you want to burn a book that praises GOD! your, mine and ours.
Your hatred against muslims, islam and quran may be justified in the light of what you have been informed over the decades. But hear me out:
Islam means peace and its no different than its meaning. There is no concept of violence as 9/11, no concept of brutality as killing scores of red indians, no concept of disgrace as Guantanamo Bay and no idea of terrorism as false terrorizing propaganda. We have criminals all around the world, be it muslims, christians, hindus, sikhs, budhists, atheists. Its the very fabric of the human nature. We should not confuse individual/group level initiatives to the teachings of religion. Our religion is sacred, just as we believe Christianity is.
For decades (even before 9/11) muslims have been portrayed as enemies/terrorists/barbarians in the movies/news/media almost everything you talk about/ even the cartoons (I still remember Popeye the sailor man). Building up hatred over the years have served the purpose of assimilating such a grave notion of a muslim attacking 9/11 towers and taking thousands of lives. Islam is not like that it never has it never will be. We respect people be it chirstians or any follower of divine religion and humanity at large.
We all want to stop this terrorism, I want to you want to. However, the approach is not right. Rather than pulling such stunts against each other, and aggravating the whole mess, we should join hands to eradicate terrorism. Just imagine what consequences will it have once you do that at official level! God forbid I would never like to burn the bible as i believe it to be a sacred book of yours but imagine what you are going to do muslim’s book they consider sacred? Is it justified, arent there any other solutions to terrorism? Is it the Islam that is the reason for such terrorism? Is the book contains such evil things that it should be BURNT! You people are smart one’s it shouldnt be hard thinking about these questions!
I do not intend to stop you from your intended actions, however, I would strongly urge that you read the book and decide for yourself if the book really deserves the burning.
May God guide us in the straight path. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured. On whom Thy indignation has not befallen, and who have not gone astray.
Thanks for your patience
Both are terrible, devisive forces that derserve one another.
lily said:
“None of you are Muslims so how could you know, understand, or judge Islam.”
- Excuse me, but that’s just about the lamest “argument” I’ve heard…! So, in order to find out if islam is a good religion, you must first convert to it, to be entitled to have an opinion about it?? So I guess you also have to be a nazi to be allowed to criticize nazism, or american to criticize the USA??
Muslim stupidity is truly amazing sometimes.
With my total respect to Mr. Christian, you are totally wrong, you can judge what is islam by just reading its quran and understand it well. And get all the proves that Islam is not the religion of terror. And know that all the information you know about it is just nothing, and you missed manythings.
thanks
Terrorist who attack USA are Black Terrorist. Mr.Christians countries like USA, AUSTRALIA, AND MOST BRITAIN are Mr.White terror and thay can attack any Islamic Country but they are not Terrorist. USA helped Osama Bin Laden to attack on Russia from Afghanistan, but USA is not terrorist, Without any proof they attack IRAQ and killed many innocent and they being killed now also, but USA is not terrorist. Thish terrorist are enemy of USA and not Christians….
the bible is the only book that is comming true. read revelation and why is it that christians are the only ones being killed for their beliefs no other religion. this is proof the christians are right and the devil is trying to stop them.
And yet, by this time tomorrow there will be Christians on these message boards complaining that atheists never challenge Islam.
the bible is the only book that is comming true. — keith on August 23, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Surprising that you don’t offer any examples of this. Or maybe not so surprising.
read revelation…. — keith on August 23, 2010 at 8:55 pm
I have. And?
…and why is it that christians are the only ones being killed for their beliefs no other religion. this is proof the christians are right and the devil is trying to stop them.– keith on August 23, 2010 at 8:55 pm
So if Christians kill atheists for being atheists, then that proves atheism is correct and the Christians are trying to stop them? Right?
http://vassleer.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/03/504714-murdered-for-being-an-atheist
No . definitely not
I was watching the interview this morning. He refers to them as “Radical Islam”
OK. By burning their bible does he not present himself as a Radical Christian? Hmm, many would think so. When are people going to realized that christians are the anti-christs? They are racial, bigots, and full of hatred. They care not about their fellow man and forget the fact that this country has freedoms and rights for everyone.
If Pastor Terry Jones burns the Koran, I am prepared to stand in front of him and burn the bible!
Here’s a question I’d like to ask about Islam please!
Is Islam a Unitarian Religion?
Is there anyone else in heaven with Allah, or is he alone?
This to Mr. Ahmed
I have been brought up in Egypt, read and write Arabic fluently, I studied Islam extensively and would like to say that you are practicing Taqqiah and for those who would like to know what is Taqqiah, I would just say that Moslems are the only people on this earth who encourage deception in the name of ALLAh (Their God). Jolly is right and you are practicing what Mohammed is encouraging you to live by.
Mohammed was trading in slaves!!and he is described as the prophet of mercy!!!, he consumated a girl of 9 years and he is still described as merciful, he led more than 38 raids to steal money, women, etc and Moslems still believe he is a messenger of ALLAH. Wake up Ahmed. Islam is now exposed and more people are aware of its devilish origin and evil means and aims – Hope you wake up and listen to your HUMAN consciousness
If MORE PEOPLE are AWARE then why is Islam the fastest growing religion?
After reading the comments above, it’s unbelievable how people are so ignorant. We have one fellow placing himself as a interpreter of the holy Quran. My friend, for your information,the Quran is written in Arabic!? So when you translate into English you loose meaning and context. Ask any linguists,they will let you know that? It’s obvious you dont read enough and understand, but rather spread lies about a religion that set the basis of western civilisation. Read about sciences, history, geography and maths and let me know what you think.
Before I end, i can suggest to you to read a book written by non muslim scholar called The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History written by Michael H. Hart.
Islam for ever!
You think that’s news to anyone?
Doesn’t invalidate translations.
Why?
Right alongside ancient Greek religion – “forever” in the sense of eventually becoming a set of quaint myths believed by few.
In the beginning there was no religion. Billions of years after the existence of the universe in which our home Earth came into being, homo sapiens were around. They went through the iron age, the bronze age, the ice age and the space age.
Unlike other living things, humans have had been progressing from wearing nothing to silk, from staying in caves to villas, from eating raw to lip smacking KFC.
Unlike the humans, animals and plants do not change over the milleniums. A horse you ride today looks exactly like the one your ancestors rode. The apple you eat tastes the same as your ancestor ate.
Then we see ourselves as being special. Unlike other animals, we humans enjoy sex very much to procreate. Do you think that the lion and lioness enjoy themselves? Do they have foreplay, do it on different positions. Looks like no. They have sex simply to procreate.
We then ask ourselves whether animals, other than us, can think. Maybe they can but not in the same way as we do. Because we can never bring them into class to learn spelling and arithmetic.
So, we homo sapiens are indeed special. To Jolly Jack and other like minded people, don’t simply say things as what they like to think or were told by those who hate Islam and Prophet Muhammad.
Yes, they do. It’s called “evolution.”
Doesn’t make it true.
Why do you assume other animals derive no pleasure from it?
Read up on Bonobos.
In the same way that ever other species is “special.”
HHmmm Austin,
Interesting question whether animals derive no pleasure from sex. I may be wrong, but when one observes the behaviour of the animals during sex, one assumes that they do it out of instinct. Look at the lion, a few violent strokes and it’s over in less than a minute. Perhaps both the lion and lioness enjoy the very brief encounter. If you were to perform like the lion, I bet that you’ll be shoved out of the bed.
I withdraw my sweeping statement that animals do not derive any pleasure. I’m sure all will agree that from the body language of our four-legged fellow creatures at the peak of the session suggest that there is pleasure, albeit very, very briefly.
All animals? Have you observed all animal species having sex?
Have you ever read anything about Bonobos, for example?
Something humans never do, right?
Something that is never true of humans, right?
Not all animal species and personally had never seen them at it. All on NG and Discovery channels. Closest to us humans among them are the apes. One can get turned on watching them.
Pardon my ignorance Austin. I have not read anything about Bonobos. Appreciate if you’d tell the link or the book title. You’ll agree that we all learn something new everyday.
Now back to the subject matter, I see that you do not share the view that Islam is of the devil. When his companions asked where is the abode of the devil (satan), Phophet Muhammad said “in the hearts of men”.
When you go around donating and helping others in need and never a harsh word to anybody, the devil is not inside you and you, as an atheist, are better behaved than those deplorable Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, etc.
So, the human being has both the devil and angel in him. The animals don’t have either. Humans have lust, greed, feeling of animosity, hatred, etc., whispered into his heart by satan. On the other hand, he has compassion, love, generosity, reason, understanding, patience, etc. These qualities are essential for peaceful co-existence.
Why are we still talking about Terry Jones? He is a publicity hound, pure and simple. His “church” lost its tax exempt status and he has only about 50 members. He wants publicity to build up his flock and make money!!! Please stop giving him what he wants.
Andy Warhol told it like it is with his saying “15 minutes of fame”.
If you really believe in God etc, then this sentiment is relevant, and for all faiths.
ISAIAH 50 :
Chapter 50 : 11:
Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This ye shall have of mine hand; ye shall lay down in sorrow.
Either you believe or you do not; and some things; ways of conduct; are very clear;
BUT; in how many cases is it “do as I say, but not as I do” ?
Lead by example , please, be a role model not just a leader.
God help me but i just hate Islam. Wherever there are Muslim there is violance. May Jesus return soon and do away with this evil religion.
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To all those ignorent ……….
open your mouth before………….
do study islam and then say something about the religion of all messengers of Allah.Any one who knows about christinity and bible(not the teaching of churces) would admit that islam is the only way of salvation.May Allah bless on all of us
I have studied Islam extensively.
I don’t
How extensively have you studied it? Have you studied the Quraan from cover to cover? What language? English? Who translated it?
I still fail to understand why the lunatic fringe is an issue. Never in my 47 years of existence have I heard as much hate from anybody (and I’m from the south) as I’ve heard from Christians towards Muslims.
Austin, can we please just ignore the lunatic fringe of this issue? Quit giving oxygen to the fire, it’ll eventually go out when nobody is there to hear it any more.
You have no idea you fullish peaople… what are you talking about and about whom? you are just draging your selves to the HELL…Quran states when the sin will take place in earth, non-Muslims will be Humiliating Muslims then Muslims will fight and will rule over 500 years in the world after that Muslim will stop believing God as because of Dazzal (the evil) he will start killing people to access him GOD at that time Jejus (ESA allahi-wa-salam) will come to beat him, Jesus (ESA allahi-wa-salam) never Died they will come back before Armageddon, JESUS (ESA allahi-wa-salam) will kill him but before that he will announce that he is ESA who never dies but was taken in heaven by Allah and who was killed on Cross was not him he was the king of the nation where Esa was born and insulted, that will be spread from the media like television, internet, radio, news papers and all of us (no-muslims) will convert in ISLAM………..
This is the Hadith of Dajjaal. Ibn Shihab said: “‘Omar Ibn Thabit al-Ansari told me that some of the Companions of the Prophet told him that on the day when he warned the people about the Dajjal, the Prophet said: “There will be written between his eyes the word Kafir (unbeliever). Everyone who resents his bad deeds – or every believer- will be able to read it.” He also said, “You must know that no one of you will be able to see his Lord until he dies.’” (Muslim, al-Bukhari). Ibn ‘Omar said, “The Prophet mentioned the Dajjal to the people. He said, “Allah is not one-eyed, but the Dajjal is blind in his right eye, and his eye is like a floating grape.’” (Muslim) Anas Ibn Malik said, “The Prophet said, ‘there has never been a Prophet who did not warn his people against that one-eyed liar. Verily he is one-eyed and your Lord is not one-eyed. On his forehead will be written the letter Kaf, Fa, Ra (Kafir).’” (Muslim, al-Bukhari)
Much lies and miss-understading here …
Yes Islam is religion of devil . Who tells that Islam is religion
of peace are metally challenged or blind . All terrorist does
kill person on name of Islam . I read Quran , I tell to u
don’t be fooled by muslims . Read Quran atleast hear
english version of it on youtube tube . Allah orders clearly to
kill nonmuslims in Quran . Specially to Christains and Jews.
Qran is not real but was result of hidden desire of Mohammad to create militant on name of allah to conquere
the world . Clear order in Quran –”If u are less in number
then wait for time and kill kufur (nonmuslims) when allah give you power and come in majority” .
Muslims are good in behavior toward us because they
are knowing that if all nation will come together on name of christainity , they can not win . But please wake up before it is too late.
It’s a fact that most Christians all over the world never acknowledge, that Islam is the greatest danger for them and is coming truly not from the Holy Spirit. Why then, are Christians being persecuted in almost all Muslim countries? Why is noone in the free world crying out for those persecuted Christians? Why is Islam eligible to apply the Sharia and to kill innocent people, just because they don’t believe in Islam? Why is the UN saying nothing, but regularly condemning Israel for everything and all Israel is saying or doing, in just protecting her own people from the outrage of the Muslim mob…Why are Christians worldwide so silent and are just following their rich lives, their earning money and not crying out for their brethren and sisters all over the world suffering most cruel deeds on them by Islam? Islam is the greatest pest in the todays world, but noone seems to want to know and tell the truth…all are afraid….I’m afraid that there aren’t any more Christians in the free world…at least many are none Christians, though they claim to be…your deeds tell what you are! Selfsufficient, money-orientated, full of evil and not obeing to the word of God. May this Pastor Jones be who he is, at least he’s standing for what all Christians should stand for: to tell the truth about Islam!! Wake up, it’s almost too late!