Nate Phelps & Fred Phelps: Religion as Child Abuse, Mental Abuse
Fred Phelps, Jr.
Westboro Baptist Church
Protest in New Hampshire 11/2/2003
Photo: Michael Springer/Getty Images
Nate Phelps was recently interviewed about his history and break with his father, Fred Phelps, and the notorious Westboro Baptist Church. Nate rejected the extreme fundamentalism of his father and so didn't try to impress it upon his own children. However, it appears that what the he did try to teach his children was the straightforward, unadorned truth of Christian dogma with no attempts to soften the message. The results weren't what he expected.
“Every Sunday, I was listening closely and trying desperately to find something in the preaching or in the words that would convince me that this was right. Even while I was doing that, I was always skeptical…but I never voiced it. I was very good at playing the apologist for the Christian faith. In fact, I had quite a reputation for writing and talking in defence of Christianity.”
The turning point was one Christmas, when Nate decided to teach his children about God. In the end, his son Tyler began crying in the backseat of the car, saying that he didn’t want to go to hell.
“He wanted to believe because he didn’t want to go to hell,” Nate said. “I was just stunned because I didn’t know what I had said or how I had left him with that fear. I thought I was doing a good job of presenting it without the fear.
“Thinking about it after the fact, I realized you can’t do that. With a young mind it doesn’t matter. You can try as much as you want to talk about how good God is, but the bottom line is there’s this intolerably frightening punishment if you don’t accept it. And how does a young mind deal with that?”
Source: The Ubyssey
So Nate Phelps didn't go out of his way to teach his children to fear and, in fact, may have managed to avoid raising the issue entirely. That's a long, long way from how his father and his father's church teaches things. Specifically emphasizing any need to fear, though, clearly isn't necessary because as Nate came to realize, teaching people that they will suffer immeasurably for all eternity if they don't believe the correct things can only lead to fear.
Nate agrees with prominent atheist and scientist Richard Dawkins, who has said that religion can be “real child abuse.”
Dawkins tells the story of an American woman who wrote to him. She was raised as a Roman Catholic and was sexually abused by her parish priest in his car. Around the same time, a Protestant school friend of hers died tragically.
“Being fondled by the priest simply left the impression (from the mind of a seven-year-old) as yucky,” she wrote, “while the memory of my friend going to hell was one of cold, immeasurable fear. I never lost sleep because of the priest, but I spent many a night being terrified that the people I loved would go to hell. It gave me nightmares.”
“The threat of eternal Hell is an extreme example of mental abuse,” Dawkins says on his website, “just as violent sodomy is an extreme example of physical abuse.”
“I couldn’t agree more,” asserted Nate. “In so many different ways we have abused children with religion over the centuries.”
For some people, sexual abuse can be a lot more traumatic. For some people, thinking about their friends suffering forever in hell can be less traumatic. Dawkins' argument isn't that religion is always and necessarily worse than physical abuse, though. Dawkins' argument is the far more modest proposition that some religious teachings may be worse on a psychological or emotional level for some children than sexual abuse. Given the above testimonies, it's difficult to think of any basis for denying that position categorically.
It's curious that the people who have howled the loudest in protest of Dawkins' argument are also those who seem to do the most to soften or modify traditional teachings about hell and damnation. It's almost as if they recognize how harmful or even evil those teachings are and so refuse subject their own children to such notions, but as soon as an outsider publicizes what has become an open secret, everyone is up in arms, ready to attack the heretic.
Shirley Phelps-Roper, Nate’s sister, commented on the above article:
At the end of the day, rebel Nate who is a man of the flesh according to the Bible, cannot get it into his head the the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. The child crying over a fear of hell is exactly what is intended by the plain language of the scriptures. You can love that and live that and own that and be one with that, as they say, or you can foolishly fight against that. WHO thinks they can beat God? YIKES! He never one time mentions HIS duty to teach HIS children every day in every way with every thing that does and says what the Lord their God requires of them. God is a consuming fire. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, WE PERSUADE MEN! Just look at the way you two brutes got together and tried to put a fluffy spin on rebellion AND the consenquences thereof.
It sounds an awful lot to me like Shirley Phelps-Roper is arguing that psychological and emotional abuse of children is the point of the Bible. Given how atrocious many of the stories and teachings in that book are, I find it hard to argue against her — but rather than treat this as license to engage in abuse, I treat that as a reason to reject the Bible and seek guidance or inspiration in more moral sources.
I think other Christians at least unconsciously agree and this is one reason why they aren't flocking to churches like Phelp's. Unfortunately, they can't completely let go of ancient superstitions so they continue to cling to the Bible by reinterpreting in ways that more closely match morals, ethics, and standards what would have been foreign and abhorrent to the original authors. In effect, they want the authority of the Bible behind ethics that have little or nothing to do with the Bible.


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teaching people that they will suffer immeasurably for all eternity if they believe the correct things can only lead to fear
Typo? Shouldn’t this read ‘if they don’t believe the correct things’ or ‘if they believe the incorrect’?
Whoops! I should have added ‘things’. I myself made a typological error there. How ironic!
Thanks for catching that…
There are at least two key aspects to the god who is described in the bible which I feel are relevant to this discussion:
(1) God does not tolerate sin.
The bible teaches that unfortunately, all of us have rejected god and fallen short of his standards at some point in our lives.
The bible also teaches that god does not accept this and that entry into his kingdom after death is conditional upon having one’s sins forgiven through the death of Christ Jesus on the cross.
So yes, unfortunately, the gospel does teach that god sends people to hell. And yes, this god should be feared.
(2) God is full of grace and mercy.
Fortunately, however, that is not the end of the story. The gospel also teaches that god is full of grace, mercy and love, and accordingly, he offers complete forgiveness to anyone who accepts his peace offering on the cross.
For those who believe the gospel, teaching their children about the whole gospel (not just the nice parts) is in no way a form of child abuse.
“For those who believe the gospel, teaching their children about the whole gospel (not just the nice parts) is in no way a form of child abuse.”
Bull****. Its psychological terrorism.
Andrew:
It is because of so called Christians like you that I’m an atheist and proud of it. Imagine the terrifying world these poor children are born into; that they are no good, miserable sinners and that they will go to hell and burn forever if they don’t behave according to ideas they can’t even process yet.
If this isn’t child abuse, I don’t know what is. What does a small child understand about “sinning” to begin with? How unsecure their little worlds must be.
On top of that, they have to contend with losing whatever security they might have if the “Rapture” happens and they get separated from the only parents and family they have and might even be hell-bound to boot!
What a caring and loving way to raise a child. I find this reprehensible and disgusting to say the least.
One can only hope they will somehow grow out of these shackles and become a fully functioning adult someday, though I doubt that. Judging from some of the adult comments I’ve seen, here and elsewhere, by Christian adults have been twisted and warped mentally and emotionally for the rest of their sorry lives.
“Fortunately, however, that is not the end of the story. The gospel also teaches that god is full of grace, mercy and love, and accordingly, he offers complete forgiveness to anyone who accepts his peace offering on the cross.”
Get out of Hell free, go straight to Heaven, AND collect two-hundred dollars!*
*Virgins if you’re from the Mid-East.
From the claims often made here, the only “sin” Jesus doesn’t forgive is not accepting Jesus. Steal a candy bar when you were eight? It’s okay, Jesus died for your sins. Have pre-marital sex in high school? It’s okay, Jesus died for your forgiveness. Neighbor cheated on their spouse? It’s okay, Jesus died for his/her forgiveness. (Or does it change when it’s not you anymore?)
Steal, rape, beat the crap out of people in bars, basically do whatever you want to, as long as you believe that Jesus existed and died for your sins, all is forgiven and you go to heaven. Meanwhile, the other 67% of people on the planet that don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah are just **** out of luck, no matter how beneficial a life they lead.
I personally feel religion is not (necessarily) good for children. Some children can have religion in their lives and “turn out” good. I don’t think religion should be attributed with that win however. How would each person turn out without threats of death if they don’t obey?
Granted, not all religions focus on threats or eventual eternal death if the rules are not obeyed. So, I definitely can’t say that all religion is bad. My opinion is that there are far more cases of religion being a detriment than a benefit.
I had a few stillborn siblings (a prolifigate Catholic family), who, to my youthful dismay, were relegated to Limbo. Not only was I deprived of the solace of their company in this mortal coil, but forever into the hereafter. It was the begining of the end for whatever childish respect my parents had managed to instill in me for god and religion.
fred phelps is going to hell
-jordan
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How do people fall for all this rubbish?
Dawkins is right.
Religion was and is a human power play. It endeavours to control the young, but there are better things to occupy the young.