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Conservative Religion: Denigrating Women

By , About.com GuideMay 25, 2008

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One of the most problematic features of conservative and fundamentalist religion is the degree to which it focuses on denigrating women and arguing against women's equality. This isn't because there is something less then "genuine" about these forms of religion — on the contrary, the inequality and subservient status of women is an unambiguous feature of traditional, orthodox religious systems. That's hardly surprising, given how it has been integral to all cultures. We should be surprised if traditional religion didn't try to preserve female inequality.

As it is, though, defenders of traditional religion are arguing against very strong trends towards equality and liberation for women all over the world. Believers seem to recognize this and I think that motivates their attempts to deny that they are seeking to denigrate women. They try to mask their position by insisting that they only want women to return to their "different" social status — a status that is not subservient or unequal, just "different" because that's what God and/or nature require. It's not a coincidence that "different but equal" is basically what racists argued for when defending racial segregation.

Denis Prager writes:

For most women – of course, not all – careers are not nearly as fulfilling as are a good marriage and family. ...Unless one believes that women and men are the same and therefore the same things bring them happiness, the feminist emphasis on career has been an obstacle to many women's happiness. As a rule, women derive most of their happiness from relationships, not from work. Men need both to be happy far more than women do.

Men's very identity is predicated on their answer to the question, "What do you do?" Whether fair or not – to either sex – virtually no woman's identity is dependent on what she does for a living. That is why, while both sexes suffer financially from the loss of a job, when men lose their jobs, they often also lose their self-worth as a man. The greater importance of work to men is also manifested in their willingness to work many more hours than women.

Source: World Net Daily

Denis Prager utilizes a popular straw man here: if you believe men and women are the same then maybe you can believe X (both are made happy by the same things, both have the same capabilities, etc.), but men and women are obviously different, so of course not-X (different things make them happy, they have different capabilities, etc.). There is no serious or rational argument here. Of course men and women are different; the question is, do those difference entail the sorts of conclusions which misogynists like Prager want to defend?

Consider this: "Unless one believes that blacks and whites are the same and therefore the same things bring them happiness, the African-American emphasis on going to college and getting white-collar jobs has been an obstacle to many African-Americans' happiness." Is that not obviously racist? Of course there are differences between black and white people, but this does not entail that black people would be happier with menial labor while all the more respected professional jobs are reserved for whites.

No less bigoted and offensive is the idea that the differences between men and women means that women should expect to be happiest staying home and cleaning up after men while the men are allowed to have lives and careers outside the home where they can earn more money, respect, and of course power.

That's what it is all about, isn't it? Power: the ability to have significant autonomy and control one's life. Men have always had it to a greater degree than women; feminism has sought to reverse this disparity and misogynists like Denis Prager are fighting against it.

To make things even worse for many women, not only are most women not finding their careers nearly as fulfilling as they had been led to expect, they rarely find the demands of home life lessened much. Now, many women experience double the pressure – having to succeed in jobs outside of the home and, as much as ever, inside the home.

The feminist promise that everything in their marriage will be 50-50 – each partner will do half the outside work, half the housework, and half the child rearing – has rarely panned out. Most men will work their tails off outside the home, but won't inside the home. Consequently, many working women either experience increased tension with their husband or increased pressure to succeed both outside the home and inside the home as mother, homemaker and wife.

It's true that many women experience a lot of pressure and Denis Prager's article starts out by citing a study that shows that women tend to be less happy than men. Prager's conclusion is that the reason for women being less happy is that they are seeking to find fulfilling careers outside the home rather than just staying home and keeping house. Then, he cites the above problem that caring for the home is not a job which men are shouldering equally.

Why didn't Prager consider the obvious conclusion that maybe women would be less unhappy if men took more responsibility for the home? Because men are the actors and women have to be subjects. Men can't be expected to accommodate themselves to the needs of women in their lives; instead, women must accommodate themselves by giving up any desire to develop a fulfilling career or acquire autonomous power over their own futures.

Misogyny isn't simply a matter of thinking that women are inferior, it's a hatred of women and women's equality — and in this case, the label seems quite appropriate. I don't think that there can be any clearer demonstration of hatred of women than saying that if women experience stress trying to have both a career and do all the house work, then problem is because women can't be happy having a career and must give that up in favor of cleaning the toilets and scrubbing the floors at home.

There are no secular arguments on behalf of such hatred of women. Of course, like so many Denis Prager doesn't try to offer any arguments — he just treats it as self-evident that women are inferior and undeserving of equality. Sometimes, though, it's made clearer that not only is the inferiority of women demanded by traditional women, but in fact attempting to liberate women from the shackles of traditional and religious misogyny is one of the "sins" of modern secularism. Consider the following from Vox Day:

As I have demonstrated in "The Irrational Atheist," religion is not a threat to any aspect of science: It does not threaten the knowledge base, it does not threaten the method and it does not threaten the profession. It never has.

But this is not to say there is not a genuine threat to all three aspects of science today. Unsurprisingly, it comes from the same force that is the primary threat to the survival of Western civilization: female equalitarianism. Flush with their success in decimating the collegiate sports programs of America, the equalitarians have now set their sights on applying the infamous Title IX quotas to science education, despite the fact that women already earn 57 percent of bachelor's degrees, 59 percent of master's degrees and a majority of doctorates. If successful in this effort, and initial signs indicate that they probably will be, in 30 years, academic science in America will be no more intellectually respectable or relevant than womyn's studies are today.

Because they are the intellectual driving force of humanity, men will be fine. ...It is written that "women ruin everything"; having destroyed the liberal arts, the classics and the pseudo-sciences, it is now abundantly clear that the more rigorous sciences are next on the equalitarians' destructive agenda.

Source: World Net Daily

Even if one agrees that women are equal and are underrepresented in the sciences, it's at least theoretically possible to argue that a proposed cure will not only fail to fix the problem, but might in fact cause more problems. It's plausible that setting quotas of any sort in the sciences, where merit and achievement have always been key, could harm science itself.

I'm not going to explore that argument, though, because that isn't Vox Day's position — his position is that the mere presence of more women in the science, however it is achieved, is what will damage science. Once again, we're not looking at anything less than a religiously-motivated hatred of women: the female human being is so awful that her presence in science ultimately harms sciences, and if there are to many females then science itself will be destroyed. Only men are good and worthy enough to have scientists.

A similar argument could easily have been offered by a white racist a few decades ago. If offered today, the bigotry of such a position would be unambiguous. I doubt that even World Net Daily would publish it, but they have no problem publishing the same bigotry against women. Why? Faith-based racism is no longer as acceptable as it once was; faith-based misogyny continues to be treated as proper.

Comments
May 26, 2008 at 6:51 am
(1) David says:

You should be specific to ensure that your arguments are not invalidated by the use of sweeping generalities; religion=denigrtion of women.

Additionally, a definition of traditional or fundamentalist is required to differentiate between orthodoxy and extremism, which are not one and the same.

For example, let’s take this passage from the Bible:
Galatians 3.28
There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus.

Orthodox christian belief requires that we understand that all human beings are equal. This understanding is what guided Wilberforce to seek the abolition of slavery, and allowed the apostle Paul to preech and teach women, slaves and gentiles in a time when segregation and denigration was custom.

Other cultural forces besides religion can be attributed to all of the issues we face today. In many cases, those forces shape the local religion.

May 26, 2008 at 7:24 am
(2) Austin Cline says:

You should be specific to ensure that your arguments are not invalidated by the use of sweeping generalities; religion=denigrtion of women.

I never made the assertion “religion = denigration of women.”

Additionally, a definition of traditional or fundamentalist is required to differentiate between orthodoxy and extremism, which are not one and the same.

Orthodoxy can be extremism, depending on the circumstances; I never claim that they are always and necessarily equivalent.

Other cultural forces besides religion can be attributed to all of the issues we face today.

Not in the sense that religion can be removed from the discussion as if it were irrelevant as a causative forced.

May 30, 2008 at 3:49 pm
(3) John Hanks says:

I like sweeping generalities. They are fun. I think most men are blockheads. That is why it is so easy to keep their nose to the wall. Women are more aware of all kinds of things. But, they are to respectable to put up a fight (which is what you have to do with blockheads).

June 19, 2008 at 5:26 pm
(4) Tamar says:

Really, there needn’t be discussions about the subject, merely freedom to choose. Yes, some women find raising children and tending the home / relationships to be the most important and fulfilling part of their lives.

Some women don’t want this. Some women want a career and should have the freedom to choose this. That is all.

And men should have the choice to stay at home if that is what they wish.

More importantly though is the insidious comments and prevailing thoughts on this matter that colour whether a woman even wants to have a career. If a girl is told/shown all her formative years of childhood that she should want to stay at home, that is NOT freedom.

Faminists should not be saying “Women get a career!” They are fighting for the freedom to choose, and asking that women look at it objectively and use their powers of reason.

This is much like what an atheist may feel. Religion is not the worst thing in the world, but please use a critical eye and do not swallow whole what others tell you. Think for yourself.

Don’t listen to the feminists, or the Denis Pragers. Take the time to have an opinion yourself and listen to that.

June 24, 2008 at 1:25 am
(5) james says:

What nonsense. Jesus is the reason women are strong today in this country. I ahve time atheist. They are foolish and do not deserve conversation with believers in this country. They made their minds up. So be it.

June 24, 2008 at 1:27 am
(6) jim says:

have no time…………..correction……hopefully, clear.

July 1, 2008 at 2:45 pm
(7) K. Anonymous says:

James,

‘Jesus is the reason women are strong today in this country.’

Care to elaborate?

‘I ahve time atheist.’

I’m going to assume you meant ‘I have no time for atheists’ and respond accordingly.

Why, exactly, do you have no time for atheists? Like it or not, religion (christianity most definately included) has often been tied very closely to sexism. Jesus’s personal views on this (assuming he even ever expressed any, you give no reason to think he did) aren’t the only factor.

‘They are foolish and do not deserve conversation with believers in this country.’

If we’re that worthless why bother coming to a primarly atheist site to post such insults? Much as you may like to think of athiests are fools, you seem unable to give any reason as to why.

‘They made their minds up. So be it.’

Whereas you are clearly open to changing your opinion if the required evidence is supplied.

July 1, 2008 at 4:14 pm
(8) John Hanks says:

A sentimental father sort of Jesus is the reason that most women do most of the real work in most churches. These women choose to be subservient to second rate men.

July 1, 2008 at 10:49 pm
(9) Tom Edgar says:

Jesus as an emancipator??? The only time I recall his feet being washed, he had a woman doing it.

Who do you think was doing all the cooking at the last Supper? Bet it wasn’t James, John, Matthew, and the rest of the BROTHERHOOD.

tomedgar@halenet.com.au

July 2, 2008 at 5:35 pm
(10) Drew says:

I’m not surprised to hear a theist spouting the lie that the fictional Jesus character is “the reason women are strong today in this country” (presumably this statement is from an American, as most people from other countries are not so ignorant and presumptive on global web sites).

What DOES surprise me is that it’s not a woman saying this. Though men manufactured the sexist prison that is monotheistic religion, the remnants of Christianity would crumble more quickly than they already are if women couldn’t be counted upon to do most of the work in most churches. The religiosity of women is always 5% higher or so than the religiosity of men, in every age group, in every western nation.

Talk about manufacturing your own chains.

July 3, 2008 at 7:46 pm
(11) Paul says:

“Talk about manufacturing your own chains.”
That is the nature of all human cultures. Our cultures blind us to our own possibilities. The key for this discussion is in the relationship between power (as Austin Cline pointed out) and how culture is manipulated to perpetuate the established political and social order. When the Bible was cobbled together from a disparate set of books written after Jesus’ death and followed in different combinations in different parts of the Empire, it was decided that no books written by women would be accepted into the official holy book of the Roman Empire. Which books were chosen and which rejected was a political matter, but one thing is clear – all books written by women were labelled apocryphal (why the Coptic churches of Egypt and Ethiopia severed their ties with the Roman church as soon as the Empire was too weak to send in the army to enforce their national religion). If you teach girls that they should be weak and servile, they will come to regard that as their nature and find pride in their servitude. They will not play outside, building strong muscles and the bones to support them, so they will become physically weak. They will also never learn to assert themselves and not learn to be mentally and emotionally strong. This is how you create a servile class, but perhaps more important, this is how people come to believe that differences in strength are “natural” and “normal” (as if these words are synonyms for “good” and “just”).

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