Twisty Faster writes at I Blame the Patriarchy:
“Not believing in a deity” is not the philosophic opposite of “believing in a deity.” On the one side, there is nothing whatsoever. Zip. Bupkis. Nothing quantifiable or measurable in the faith department. In fact, there’s no faith department at all.
Whereas on the other side is an elaborate and convolute belief system of considerable avoirdupois. So, to recap: atheism, because it consists of nothing and, let’s face it, is only conceptualized in the first place because of hegemonic pressures, can neither act nor believe nor not act nor not believe. It’s not a religion. It’s not a belief. It’s not an agenda.* It’s nothing.
Imagine if it were the other way around. What if the citizenry were presumed a priori to entertain no goddish delusions? What if it were the norm to calmly accept the indifference of the cosmos toward individual humans? What if, were one moved to acquire an intimate understanding of the physical universe, the commonly accepted procedure were merely to observe it, rather than to make shit up using obfuscatory, 2000-year-old anthrocentric, dude-centric, earth-centric folklore?
In a world where deity-worship was a quaint curiosity, rather than a megatheocorporatocratic imperative, mystics who employed an Invisible Concierge of the Sky might be referred to as “atruthists.” ...
* Which is not to say that atheists cannot have agendas. The atheist activist, however, is mostly just saying, due to the in-your-face nature of the various dead lords and saviors, “Get your invisible dead lord and savior out of my face.” The threat “Or else I will tear your children’s throats out with my teeth” is merely implied.
There are three important aspects to the above which I want to draw your attention to. First, I kind of like the idea of referring to those who worship an imaginary being in the sky as "atruthists." I know, they might not like it, but if it's the truth that there are no gods, then those who worship gods anyway are a-truthists. Second, maybe the implication that we will "tear your children's throats out" with our teeth should be made a bit more explicit occasionally. It's unfortunate, but it may be the only way to get proselytizers to keep their religion to themselves.
The final and most important thing is also probably the least obvious. Simply put, the above explanation is much like what we'd find at any atheism blog, but I Blame the Patriarchy is not about atheism or religion. Granted, traditional religion is a significant source of support and ideology behind patriarchy, so any resource on patriarchy will have to address religion from time to time, but religion is not the focus of this blog and atheism rarely, if ever, comes up.
Why is that important? Because atheism shouldn't only come up in the context of atheism blogs. Atheists are more than just atheists — as Twisty points out, atheism essentially consists of nothing at all. It's just the absence of theism. Atheism isn't an agenda, but atheists themselves have various political, social, and philosophical agendas. Atheists are writing about all sorts of issues right now, but they are most visible writing about atheism. This is understandable because of the way atheism is regarded in society, but we should also make an effort to address more.
Atheists should be out their writing blogs on feminism, gay rights, economic issues, health care, philosophy, terrorism, law enforcement, and everything else that people write blogs about. The fact that they are an atheist should not be hidden. They should be open and unapologetic not only about being atheists, but also how their perspective is informed by a naturalistic, humanistic philosophy rather than any supernatural religion. It should be made unambiguously clear that secular atheists have something important to contribute to debates on these matters — that being an atheist doesn't mean one is devoid of morality, standards, meaning, love, etc.
Occasionally, atheism itself should be the topic of a post like the above in order to educate readers what atheism is and is not — readers who might not otherwise ever read a blog that is about atheism specifically. Even though Twisty isn't saying much that is radically new above, a post like hers has the potential to reach and inform more people than ten such posts on atheism-specific blogs. If you're an atheist who has considered starting a blog, consider starting one that is focused on a topic other than atheism itself. If you have more to say on atheism than would be appropriate on such a blog, offer such posts to an established atheism blog — in the long run, you may read more people and do more good.


“when it comes to God there is no black or white. as Jesus said, “if you are not with me you are against me”.”
Actually, Jesus said in Mark 9:40:
“for whoever is not against us is for us.”
No, I didn’t prove your point. “Whoever is not against us is for us” does NOT mean the same thing as “if you are not with me you are against me.” All you did was simply repeat what I quoted you – I hardly see how that points anything out.
I still don’t agree that Atheism isn’t a belief, but I do agree that it isn’t a religion or an agenda.
I also agree that atheists should open and unapologetic about our Atheism. People need to get used to atheists, and hopefully be informed about the misconceptions about us.
Last time you said that, you were challenged to explain why it is a belief. You couldn’t. Insisting that atheism is a belief when you can’t justify the assertion isn’t any better than insisting that a god exists but not being able to justify that assertion.
Also, atheism shouldn’t be capitalized. Starting it with a capital indicates that it’s a proper noun — a religion, ideology, philosophy, etc. That’s a further assertion which would be even harder to justify.
Even you refer to atheism as a perspective, holding an opinion is a belief, whether that belief is based on irrational delusions or evidence and rational inquiry. I certainly don’t consider atheism a religion or a faith for that matter.
I don’t think calling atheism a belief drags it to the level of religion.
Would you not consider atheism a world view? If it isn’t why do atheists discuss atheism, have blogs, form organizations like American Atheists?
Either way it’s not the most important thing to get across when debating theists.
Atheism isn’t holding an opinion, any more than being apolitical means holding a political opinion.
No, it doesn’t. But it’s also not a belief, either.
Of course not — it is less qualified to be a worldview than theism. There’s nothing to atheism to make it a worldview. There is no philosophy, ideology, perspective, or worldview that is shared by all atheists who are existentialists, Marxists, religious humanists, secular humanists, Raelians, Buddhists, Jews, nihilists, conservatives, liberals, monarchists, Objectivists, etc.
Notice what all those have in common? They are worldviews, or ideologies, or religions, or philosophies. Atheism can be part of them, but atheism doesn’t qualify as one of them all by itself.
Because of social, political, and cultural pressure from religious theists. That’s an issue addressed in more than one place on this site, in case you’re interested.
Actually, the correct definition of atheism is one of first things that has to be gotten across.
I think it’s worth noting here that you don’t even try to justify your assertion that atheism is a belief.
To Andrew:
The problem with labeling atheism in the way you suggest becomes clear once you understand that “atheism” in and of itself, doesn’t mean jack squat to me, an atheist.
Being an atheist holds no inherent value for me. How many people are going to take such a position with regard to their “beliefs” and “worldviews”.
Atheism is a consequence of other things I value. There are other atheists whose atheism is informed by a completely different set of values, experiences, etc…
Hope this helps make the distinction for you.
Rastabow
Would you not consider atheism a world view?
A lack of belief in the existence of gods is no more a “world view” then the belief in the existence of one or more gods. (I use the term “god” in its most general sense.) Would you say that Christians, Buddhists, neo-pagans, Hindus, and Deists share a “world view.” I doubt many adherents of these religions would. Even a liberal Presbyterian and a conservative Catholic entertain world views that differ discernibly from each other. The belief in a god or in gods is an aspect of a world view, but you really can’t say much more about a theist other than he believes in a god or gods, which really isn’t saying much at all. The same goes for an atheist.
To Rastabow,
The value that being an atheist holds for one is of no consequence to whether it is a belief or not. It could mean everything in the world or nothing at all and still be a belief.
Atheism has changed my way of thinking on several issues, but even that is not needed to make something a belief. I am not talking about belief in the broad sense, just ones opinion on the existence of a god or gods.
An opinion is a belief, and thus far you have not made any attempt to support your claim that atheism is a belief.
Andrew:
If you feel atheism is a belief and/or world view, give us some of the details of what this belief/world view entails.
What does a mere assertion contribute to the discussion? Unless one makes the effort to support their position, their opinion is of scarce if any interest to others.
If you feel atheism is a belief and/or world view, give us some of the details of what this belief/world view entails.
1. That there is no god.
2 See #1.
That’s it. It covers nothing else, most Atheists are skeptics when it comes to the supernatural and I am one of them but I imagine there are exceptions. If you are talking about ones philosophical views on important issues, that has nothing to do with atheism, I changed my view on some issues like gay marriage after I became an atheist, but I have run into atheists that oppose it, and of course you’ll find atheists on both sides of issues like abortion, the war in Iraq, the role of government etc.
I am not saying this has anything to do with atheism, just the non belief in gods.
Andrew:
Whereas some atheists believe there are no gods, the broad definition of atheism (which includes all atheists) is “not believing in any gods”, or simpler still, “not a theist”. This is not a play on words; it’s a very important distinction, usually indicated by such terms as strong and weak atheism. The narrow definition does not include all atheists and therefore it is not correct to refer to atheism as a belief.
If you consider a single belief to constitute a worldview, than you are simply using a very different definition of “worldview” than most would, i.e. a framework of ideas, beliefs etc, which informs the way one sees and interacts with the world around them.
Austin’s “What is atheism” articles explain both these points very well. Have you read them? If so, which bits do you not understand, or disagree with (and why)? If not, read them and let us know if you still don’t understand why atheism is not a belief or a worldview.
Consider this analogy: Some people are soccer fans and some aren’t. While soccer fans by definition believe soccer is a great sport, we can’t attribute a belief to all those who aren’t soccer fans. Some may well believe the opposite i.e. soccer is crap, but others may be indifferent, and some may never have heard of the game.
I think it’s clear that not being a soccer fan is not a worldview.
1. That’s not the definition of atheism.
2. Unless and until “god” is defined, how can one reasonably hold the belief that it doesn’t exist?
1. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheist
2. I think most people agree on the definition of god and could provide examples, Zeus, Jesus, Vishnu, Thor ect.
I’ve seen that page. I even quote it on my page of online dictionary definitions of atheism. I think you should read it again more closely.
I notice that you didn’t actually provide a definition. Once again, unless the term “god” is defined, you can’t sensibly believe that it doesn’t exist, can you?
Oddly enough, atheism is an assumption or a belief with me. I think that atheistic criteria are the best for testing the validity of religious claims, which are almost always bogus. On the other hand I do believe in God if you define God as a direct “mystical” experience. The experience may come from a disordered liver, but it is OK by me. It is an oceanic experience with no promises, guarantees or theology.
If atheism is a belief, then every christian is also an ascientologist, because they dont believe in scientology. They are also aislamists, ahinduists, abuddhists, ajainists, ataoists, etc…
So essentially, every christian follows not 1 belief, but rather a few million beliefs. That, as you can see is quite absurd. Christians hold 1 belief of christianity, and are indifferent to the others. (Well, some may not be indifferent to a particular one, so a christian could also be anti-islam, but they will be indifferent to at least a few, especially the ones they dont even bother thinking about).
Atheists are similar, except they reduce it 1 belief further. As basic math would tell you, 1 belief – 1 belief = 0 beliefs.
addicted,
I’m no math wizzard but shouldn’t your equasion be two negatives?
-1 belief -1 belief = -2
We atheists are negative to all the mentioned belief systems.