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Amy Sullivan: Appeal to Evangelicals by Denying Your Beliefs

Saturday March 8, 2008
Should the Democratic Party stop trying to be the party of secular government and secular social progress and instead become a party which promotes Christian exceptionalism, Christian beliefs, and liberal Christianity? That appears to be the upshot of just about everything Amy Sullivan writes. She has effectively made a career out of telling everyone who will listen that Democrats need to say less about secularism and say more that will appeal to Christian egos. She's not a cynical manipulator, though. She really believes in what she is saying and even applies it to herself by denying what she believes because it doesn't sound appealing to Christian traditionalism.
You're pro-choice. Does that interfere with being an evangelical?

Well, I don't like the [pro-choice] label. I guess the reason I wrote about abortion the way I did in the book is because I have serious moral concerns about abortion, but I don't believe that it should be illegal. And that puts me in the vast majority of Americans. But unfortunately, there's no label for us.

Source: Salon

Yes, there is a label for you: "pro-choice." As Amanda Marcotte has to explain, "If you think abortion and other forms of contraceptive birth control should be legal - i.e. that women should have the legal right to decide when they have children - you are pro-choice." Amy Sullivan's position is, by definition, pro-choice. Even if she doesn't want to emphasize the "choice" part, it's still pro-choice.

Sullivan reminds me of someone saying "I don't believe in any gods, but I'm not an atheist" or "I believe in full social and political equality for women, but I'm not a feminist." Such statements implicitly accept all the attacks made by anti-atheists or anti-feminists, so that even a person for whom the label is correct is too frightened to accept it publicly. I don't think it's a coincidence that Sullivan is also one of those who doesn't appear to like the "liberal" label and goes instead for "progressive" — implicitly accepting the validity of years of Republican attacks on liberalism.

The political division in America over abortion isn't between those who see abortion as having a moral dimension and those who don't, it's between those who want to keep abortion legal and available on the one hand and those who want it to be criminalized on the other. Amy Sullivan appears to be trying to frame the abortion debate as if it involved the former distinction, which would be incredibly dishonest. We cannot legitimately gloss over the fact that there are people in America who want to make abortion and even contraception punishable crimes. We have to make a distinction between the phrase "I have serious moral concerns about abortion" and "abortion is a subject which necessarily involves serious moral problems." If someone says the first, then I'll believe it is true for them.

The second, however, isn't a true statement. There can be cases where abortion poses serious moral questions, but not ever single instance of abortion does. The Christian Right benefits from a blurring of the distinction between the two because if they can get anyone to agree that any cases of abortion involve moral problems, they can quickly move to saying that abortion is inherently problematic. After getting agreement on the premise that abortion involves serious moral questions they then move to conclude that women can't make those moral decisions herself — and therefore they can't be permitted to legally chose to have an abortion.

The biggest thing Democrats can do is to recognize that evangelicals can and do vote for them. Sixteen million evangelicals voted for John Kerry in 2004. So, to write off the entire constituency from the beginning is to ignore people that are already on your side. And obviously it makes it much harder to add to that total. So absolutely the biggest thing is to recognize that evangelicals are already part of the ranks of the Democratic Party. I point out Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, two evangelical Democrats. So that's not an oxymoron. And the other things are not a matter of pandering to evangelical voters.

It continues to shock people when I talk to Democratic audiences and I remind them that 87 percent of Americans say that religion is an important part of their lives. And that includes a heck of a lot of Democrats. Republicans are not getting 87 percent of the vote. I continue to meet people who insist, and these are hardcore Democrats, who insist to me that Bill Clinton is not religious, that it's just an act, that he had to go to church to put off his Republican critics and that he's really not a religious guy. Who find it inconceivable that Nancy Pelosi is a committed Catholic, [or think] that whenever she talks about faith now it's just the result of advisors and consultants telling her it's smart, when in fact this is a woman who's been quoting the Bible in closed-door meetings for decades. So I do think Democrats are kind of surprised to learn who the religious are in their midst and I think those are mostly the secular Democrats. The religious Democrats who I talk to are somewhat relieved because they had all been thinking that they were all by themselves.

Do you suppose Amy Sullivan was offered some cheese to go with all that whine? I can't take seriously any Christian who feels "alone" in American culture, as if it weren't abundantly clear how much of American society, culture, and politics is not only infused with traditional Christianity, but in face how much of it continues to work to reinforce Christian egos and pride by telling them how superior they are just for identifying as Christians. Christians aren't "alone" or "oppressed," it's just that less and less of American culture is telling them how much more wonderful they are than everyone else. This loss of power, status, and pride is then interpreted as a loss of rights or community.

Welcome to the real world that's been inhabited by non-Christian Americans for decades. As Mike the Mad Biologist puts it:

I don't need or want a political figure to validate my religious beliefs. On the contrary, as a member of a religious minority (and here's where the post title comes in), I feel very uncomfortable when politicians do this, because, almost certainly, they are excluding (or invalidating) other religions, even if they don't realize it. Granted, a non-denominational "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub! Yay, God!" type of prayer wouldn't bother me (although I don't really see the need for one in a politically-related setting), but it would probably bother many atheists, who would feel excluded. From personal experience, this sort of exclusion feels awful. And, most importantly, unless you feel the need for religious validation from political figures (and that's just f*****g stupid), it is not necessary.

That's ultimately what bothers me about Sullivan. Protestant Christians have been the theological default setting in the U.S. (while at the same time, some claim to be discriminated against. Go figure...). Now that they're not, they get to join the rest of us religious minority types. If every time their religious beliefs and practices will not be granted special 'supraecumenical' status (even when they're actually quite sectarian), they think they're being discriminated against, then they're going to have a very long next couple of decades.

Amy Sullivan's comments could probably be re-framed to represent pandering to other traditionally privileged classes who have experienced a loss of power and prestige over the past century. We might say, for example, what whites in the Democratic Party have felt "alone" and that Democrats need to attract more white voters by using their language and not pushing racially-neutral ideas so much. Or we might say that men in the Democratic Party have felt "alone" and that Democrats need to attract more male voters by using their language and not pushing gender-neutral ideas.

Not only does that sound absurd, but it in fact sounds like efforts to reassert white and male privileges. Well, that's precisely how Amy Sullivan sounds: it's absurd to say that Christians feel "alone" and it sounds like an attempt to reassert Christian privileges when she argues for less use of secular, religiously neutral language. Even worse is the fact that she admits that religious believers and evangelical Christians are already a part of the Democratic Party, despite all the failings she accuses Democrats of. Apparently, they could be attracted to vote for Democrats on the basis of secular policies defended with secular language — as they should have been. I'm not sure that the Democratic Party should want any other kind of supporter.

So, if all those Christians could be attracted to the Democratic Party with the language and ideas Amy Sullivan is counseling against, who does she really want Democrats to start pandering to?

Comments

March 8, 2008 at 2:52 pm
(1) Religiarchy says:

Hey, I have an idea for Ms. Sullivan’s next article… It could be titled: “Republicans, pretend you’re not pious war-mongers to lure more secular voters.”

March 8, 2008 at 10:17 pm
(2) Tom says:

I believe in full social and political equality for women, but I’m not a feminist, because I don’t hate men and am not sexually neurotic.

March 9, 2008 at 12:28 am
(3) Austin Cline says:

I believe in full social and political equality for women

Then you’re a feminist.

but I’m not a feminist, because I don’t hate men and am not sexually neurotic.

That’s not the definition of feminism. This is like saying that you’re not a liberal because you don’t agree with Stalin, or you’re not a conservative because you don’t have a secret closet with jack boots and an SS outfit.

Bascially, you’re doing exactly what I criticized and what is self-defeating for the very ideas you claim to support. You are allowing the opponents of feminism to frame the debate by allowing them to define the term according to the worst excesses and myths they can dig up; in the process, it’s not just the label “feminism” which becomes discredited, by the concept and movement itself.

No one can call themselves a supporter of full equality for women while allowing antifeminists to define the term “feminism,” which is the label for the movement of working for full equality for women.

Moreover, if you are going to start allowing opponents to define labels like this, you might as well give up supporting anything because you don’t have enough courage of your convictions to stand up to your opponents and fight for what you believe in. If you can’t fight even to retain the correct meaning of a term like “feminism,” you’re never going to contribute anything substantive to the real rights and needs of women themselves.

March 9, 2008 at 1:24 am
(4) Amalek says:

I think a man should provide a home, but a woman should keep it clean.
I think a man should provide food, but a woman should cook it.
I think a man is King of his home, but should treat his woman as a Queen.

March 9, 2008 at 3:03 am
(5) Eric says:

“I think a man is King of his home, but should treat his woman as a Queen.”

A queen he makes cook and clean?

March 9, 2008 at 6:48 am
(6) Diana says:

A lot of Christians are Democrats, too.

Are they welcome in the party or not?

March 9, 2008 at 7:35 am
(7) Austin Cline says:

I think a man is King of his home, but should treat his woman as a Queen.

Being expected to do all the cooking and cleaning means being treated as a servant. Men who treat wives as servants, and who don’t want them to have careers or live as equals, are misogynists and bigots, no different from people who think that blacks should be servants or Jews should live in ghettos.

March 9, 2008 at 9:41 am
(8) Religiarchy says:

Tom: you may want to check out a recent Rutgers University study of heterosexual couples which found that “having a feminist partner was linked to healthier heterosexual relationships for women. Men with feminist partners also reported both more stable relationships and greater sexual satisfaction.”

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-10/s-far101507.php

By the way, Austin is right, you are a feminist. My boyfriend, Austin and many, many men self-identify as feminists–and like you, they don’t hate men either. That’s definitely not the intent of feminism in general, but it was a very effective campaign of the religious right to frame it that way.

March 9, 2008 at 9:50 am
(9) Religiarchy says:

Tom et al: To complement Austin’s piece, you could also check out an article I recently wrote over at HuffPo about feminism its misrepresentations in the media…

March 9, 2008 at 1:58 pm
(10) Tom says:

I’m certainly open to re-educating myself about feminism if I discover I’ve misjudged it terribly. Thanks for the article, Religiarchy, but despite what Austin thinks I didn’t come to my conclusions about feminism based on right-wing noise. Also, while I know that liberals cannot be defined by Stalin and conservatives cannot be defined by Nazis, I am wary that those are the extremes these positions take, just in the same way that I am wary that the extremes of feminism takes a mentality that produces little nuggets like these:

If women are supposed to be less rational and more emotional at the beginning of our menstrual cycle when the female hormone is at its lowest level, then why isn’t it logical to say that, in those few days, women behave the most like the way men behave all month long? Gloria Steinem

A woman reading Playboy feels a little like a Jew reading a Nazi manual. Gloria Steinem

Physically a woman in intercourse is a space invaded, a literal territory occupied literally; occupied even if there has been no resistance, no force; even if the occupied person said yes please, yes hurry, yes more. Andrea Dworkin

That the woman might be equally unwilling to accept the burden of maternity is apparently either irrelevant or, pardon the pun, inconceivable: “His lover may consent fully, knowledgeably, enthusiastically to her exploitation. That does not change the nature of the transaction…any more than a woman’s willingness to be sold into slavery would excuse a slave owner’s willingness to buy. Andrea Dworkin

March 9, 2008 at 2:02 pm
(11) Tom says:

[I had an attack of stairway wit:]

To paraphrase Steinem’s hyperbole, calling myself feminist feels a little like a Jew calling himself a Nazi.

March 9, 2008 at 3:06 pm
(12) John says:

Tom,

I read the quotes you posted. I see two women lamenting the patriarchal aspects of our society, but I don’t see how you can think they are saying they hate men. I think you’re reaction is a bit overly emotional. Could it be “that time of the month” for you, Tom?

March 9, 2008 at 3:53 pm
(13) Tom says:

According to Steinem, that time of the month would be all month long.

March 9, 2008 at 8:43 pm
(14) John says:

There you go again, sounding very emotional. Are you sure it’s not “that time of the month?”

March 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm
(15) Tom says:

Must be. I’m cramping real hard.

March 14, 2008 at 8:06 pm
(16) Tom Edgar says:

The article claimed. “87% claim religion is important in their lives in the U S A.”
Does this mean only 13% actually are “Thinkers?”
Australia’s last census showed that 40% had no religious affiliation. A large proportion of the rest were nearly as are the Brits. Births, Deaths, and Marriages Christians.
tomedgar@halenet.com.au

March 14, 2008 at 10:28 pm
(17) John Hanks says:

Too much public relations. Don’t bother to try to appeal to evangelicals. Just be honest enough to say what you think and then weather the storm.

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