Coincidentally, the people sounding the alarm over this "problem" have the "cure" — for a price.
For twenty-two years, Kathy Gallagher has been helping women cope with their husbands’ addiction to pornography, strip clubs and prostitutes. Now she is responding to a growing number of women addicted to porn, chat rooms and online sex. “Thirty years ago,” remarks Gallagher, “you never would have thought that the woman sitting next to you in Sunday school might be viewing porn. But with the growth of the Internet, the gap between what men and women do in secret has been drastically reduced.”
Source: Religion News Service (via Pandagon)
For some reason, these Christians don't seem to be drawing an obvious conclusion: that the past differences between men and women was more cultural than inherent (biological, genetic) and, therefore, that it's absurd to think that men and women were "created" differently. That, however, would contradict the traditional Christian ideology that men and women exist for specific, divinely ordained purposes rather than for themselves, much less that they have evolved along the same path.
Just in case you might be thinking that these people are just opposed to "harmful" pornography rather than sex generally, consider their inveterate opposition to even masturbation:
I won’t take the time to explain my reasoning here, but I will briefly mention the reasons why I believe masturbation is sinful:
• Sexuality was not created for personal enjoyment but as a way to express love to one’s mate.
• Masturbation is self-centered behavior.
• Jesus expressly calls His followers to deny themselves.
• Masturbation is driven by lust and fantasy.
• Masturbation causes a person to isolate from others.
• Masturbation is controlling.
• Masturbation causes feelings of guilt and shame—clear signs of its wrongness.
• Masturbation opens the door to other sexual sin.
[emphasis added]
You're not supposed to enjoy sex, you're supposed to use it to express love for your mate — your spouse, no one else, not even yourself. Sexuality was created for a purpose; to experience or use sexuality in any other manner is sinful and contrary to "natural law." For theocrats, this means it should also be contrary to civil law. Granted, criminalizing masturbation sounds like it would be impossible, but would it be any more impossible than criminalizing sodomy?
First, though, it's important to make people fear masturbation — you can't ban things which people openly and unapologetically enjoy. So Christian leaders and institutions make people feel guilty and ashamed about masturbation by telling them how evil and dirty it is, and then they claim that feelings of guilt and shame are evidence that they are right to tell you not to masturbate in the first place. What a wonderful racket — anyone who finds a way to use this tactic to sell washing powder will make millions.
Guilt and shame, not money, are the basic currency in traditional Christianity: anything that might distract attention away from the commands of religious leaders and orient us towards our own lives, our own relationships, and our own autonomy must be closed off. The problem with sex is that the church has no role while human pleasure has every role. If you look around, you'll find that authoritarian and totalitarian governments — even non-religious ones — ban always pornography for this very reason.
You'll never find a pro-sex totalitarian regime; every one of them gets very conservative and traditionalist when it comes to sexuality. If people are allowed to explore, enjoy, and establish their own autonomous, physical relationships outside the control of traditional institutions, then the power of those institutions will necessary wane. Both authoritarian government and authoritarian religion must therefore oppose pornography, homosexuality, bisexuality, and every other aspect of sex which isn't very restrained, controlled, and conservative.
Pornography and masturbation mean fantasy, and fantasy means imagining possibilities which go beyond what you're currently experiencing in your life. No authoritarian regime can long survive if the people spend much time imagining a different and better set of future possibilities, so any context where people might be given to learn how to do this and acquire the habit must be shut down as harshly as possible — but never while admitting what the real reason is. It must always be portrayed as for their own good, never as a means for preserving the power and authority of those in charge.
It's all a question of control: how can religious and political leaders effectively maintain control over a population which can, in the privacy of their own homes, experience physical, emotional, and psychological pleasure, connection, or satisfaction at will? They can't, which is also why control over women is so vital — women are the ones who bear children and, in traditionalist communities, the ones most directly responsible for raising children.
The more control exercised over women, the more control that can be exercised over the community generally. This is why women must be taught not to work outside the home, not to have autonomous lives independent of any men — husbands, fathers, brothers — and not to presume to take on leadership roles other than those explicitly allowed by traditional authorities:
In the new book Passionate Housewives Desperate for God (The Vision Forum, October 2007), Stacy McDonald and Jennie Chancey offer a counter-cultural view of feminism. McDonald says feminism has been presented to the American culture as biblical, but she says it actually goes against scripture.
Source: One News Now (American Family News)
Perhaps it does go against scripture. Margaret Walters writes in her book Feminism: A Very Short Introduction about how tough it was for the earliest feminists in the West who were trying to argue on behalf of women's equality in an explicitly Christian context:
But any woman wanting to defend her sex had to tackle powerfully negative scriptural images of women: Delilah was treacherous, Jezebel murderous, while Eve was directly responsible for the Fall of the human race: ‘the woman tempted him and he did eat’. Saint Paul was regularly invoked against any woman who spoke out, or asked awkward questions about the Church’s attitude to women: ‘Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted to them to speak’, he instructed the Corinthians. And again, in the epistle to Timothy, ‘if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home: for it is shame for women to speak in the church’.
Women did make some progress on the basis of religious and Christian arguments, but they made far more progress on the basis of secular arguments. Shifting the terms of debate away from what God supposedly wants to what actually makes more sense, what is more just, and what is best for the human beings involved leads us much more quickly and securely to the conclusion that women should not be held down in a second-class role.
So even if feminism is against scripture, so what? The direction that argument leads is the idea that we should preserve injustice simply because it's "biblical," but I say that if scripture supports injustice then people should jettison scripture.


I think the “pornography addiction among christians” hysteria is more because a born again christian is more likely to see a problem with their addiction and phone their minister etc. than someone not part of that culture.
Austin, I’m surprised you didn’t mention the law that currently makes it illegal to sell vibrators in Alabama. To me, the continued existence of that law is the proverbial dead canary in the coal mine.
let’s face it – when I was a single atheist male, the idea of religions demanding that women continue to go unfulfilled in the sexual arena was specifically ideal.
I mean it is then just a matter of sleeping with one female member of the community and ensuring she is completely satisfied, she then gossips this to others and pretty soon you have a line for your services to provide what their males are instructed not to.
But all sillyness aside – this kind of sexist smarmy ******** is completely typical of religion. It constantly amazes me that there are women who defend this garbage – maybe they just need to get into the lineup and find out what they are being denied.
Sex addiction among Christian women, huh? Note to self: date more Christian women. Sorry, I just couldn’t resist. Seriously, I find Christian attitudes toward sexuality to be a fascinating subject and enjoyed the post.
An orgasm is an orgasm. Doesn’t matter how you get it.
The problem is, if it were only “truly christian” women that had this idea foisted onto them, then its a problem of their own. However, those ideas permeate most of the country. Girls don’t (or at least didn’t) talk about masturbation – admitting or even hinting that you did was more embarrassing than being the ‘class whore’. Touching the ‘dirty’ parts was something boys do.
The bad thing about masturbation is that it often takes too long.
The bad thing about masturbation is that it often takes too long. — John Hanks
Ain’t it the truth! Sometimes I have to wait until I get all the way home!
“Sexuality was not created for personal enjoyment but as a way to express love to one’s mate.”
There’s a puzzling statement. Is the mate who receives the expression of love not supposed to get any personal enjoyment out of it? Wouldn’t both partners have to avoid getting any pleasure out of the process so as not to be selfish? It seems that in this case the only way not to misuse sexuality would be to give stimulation to an inanimate object (an entirely unsuggestive one, at that).
“Sexuality was not created for personal enjoyment…”
If that’s true, then why do women have an organ — the clitoris — whose sole purpose is pleasure? This organ is not stimulated directly during intercourse, which would seem to indicate that this “pleasure center” evolved for some other reason. Perhaps because women like to masturbate, thus passing on this gene to their female offspring.
I knew a Christian woman who was obessed with sex. At least, I think she was a Christian. She kept shouting, “Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God!”
I remember a “movement” going around about 10 years ago… someone had latched onto the idea that lust was wrong in any circumstance… including lusting after one’s own spouse…
… churches are nothing but guilt merchants… the latest mega-evangelist is now the “Dr. Phil” of religion…
… he teaches self worth as a contrary teaching to the “you’re a dirty sinner” of the others & makes a fine living at it…
… wish I could remember his name… his mantra is something like… repeat after me… “the bible is the word of god, I am who it says I am, I can do what it says I can do…”… etc. etc…. a real feel good message to balance the guilt…
Because sexuality is such an integral part of personal identity, it seems only natural that the church would attempt to set parameters around this behavior as a mechanism to exert total control over the individual. It is the ultimate mind-****.
Typical anti-Christian, hateful bigotry expressed in these comments, twisting the words of the Christian women who was quoted. Unbelievable hate.
Would you care to support these accusations, or is this “typical anti-intellectual nonsense, making claims and accusation without interest in supporting arguments or evidence”?
I came across this post and found it interesting that the author made Christians out to be the only ones who see porn as wrong. After a quick search on the internet, the same one the author had access too, I found this interview with Ted Bundy, hopefully he knows who that is.
Convicted serial killer Ted Bundy told Dr. James Dobson a similar story: “This is the message I want to get across – that as a young boy … certainly I encountered in the local grocery store, in the local drug store, the porn that people call ’soft core.’”
As he grew older, Ted Bundy said his obsession drove him to mutilate and murder young women for sexual gratification. “In the beginning it fuels this kind of thought process. Then, at a certain time, it is instrumental, I would say crystalizing, making it into something that is almost like a separate entity inside, a building up of this destructive energy. You keep craving harder porn.”
He didn’t start out as a killer, it started “soft” then, as we all know the law of deminishing return, it took more and “harder” to acheive the same level of satifaction.
Where, exactly, do I do that?
He said. What makes him credible in your eyes? Do you believe everything that serial killers say when trying to explain their behavior, or only things which happen to agree with your ideological preferences?
Oh my!
As a former very pro-porn, sex addicted woman and lover of anything that seemed to make Christians look like hypocrites. I find a lot of my old arguments in what you have written and most of these posts, Austin. I am a black woman who made a way of life having power over white men who just adored my sick nastiness that was based on a little girl who was sexually molested and emotionally abandoned.
That poster was not saying that she trusted Ted Bundy with babysitting her kids. She was quoting him. Besides, who are you to know that he was lying about his porn addiction. He was honest about all of his murders. He was also unrepentant of them, too and considered himself a great atheist with proofs that God did not exist.
I now happen to be Christian and personally know the freedom of not living my life for the next orgasm. If that is what one lives for , then that life should be reviewed. One should wonder, “What if I had no sex drive? How would I enjoy life then? What would “get me off”?” If there is no thought as to what, it’s a bit sad.
Also, the Bible does not say anything about not having pleasure in sex. That is what a woman wrote and she may have meant “solely for pleasure”. (I will say “May” so I do not seem as if I am changing what she said.)
In fact, there is a book in the Bible called Songs of Solomon and its a pretty
sensual read. It is allowed to be there because it shows that God does demand us to be non-sexual. God wants us to experience sexual pleasure in the appropriate relationship setting. This drives the desire to be married. yet sex should not be the beginning and end of all, causing our life to fall out of control, otherwise, it is an addiction.
Should we laugh at drug addiction? Are people who are alcoholic and ruin their lives and others fun to poke at because they may be Christians. Sex addiction is sex addiction- Christian or not.
Another thing, masturbation is selfish because it takes a very powerful tool and makes it solely for our own temporary enjoyment. The purpose of sex is not individual, it’s for a couple to become one with each other (kids coming out of it or not).
Oh, then why can we get turned on by ourselves? Shouldn’t that mean we can take care of our own business?
There are things that one must exercise self-control over. All appetites. I am sure if you saw an extremely obese person ferociously eating whatever they felt like and whenever they felt like with no regard to anyone else around them, you (not just you Austin but people) would say that they their condition was gross, rude, selfish and they need to stop. that is what masturbation and sex addiction is like. You have a natural human desire for sexuality- it is used for you to become attracted to a mate, not to just get off.
People have been doing it forever one may say? People have also been murdering, stealing, cheating, hating, prejudging, lying, warring and molesting forever also. Does that make it right? Or is it all just “relative”?
P.s: The Bible places the fall of the human creation on BOTH Adam and Eve. For when Eve ate, nothing happened. It is when Adam ate did the stuff hit the fan. Adam’s response to God, blaming Eve for what had happened, puts a mirror to how humans do not take responsibility for our actions. Nothing to do with God blaming Eve- he blamed them both.
Paul was speaking about the times that they were in. NO woman spoke out at that time- ANYWHERE. Also, during that time, Christianity was just another sect of Judaism. It was scandalous that these women were even allowed in the meetings or to ask ANY questions, even in the home.
Signed,
Happy, evangelical, feminist (not a typo) who is free from the bondage of sexual addiction (and the self-righteous glee for anything that puts down people who are not like me- for we are ALL in need of healing and grace)
Then perhaps you can explain what’s flawed about them.
I didn’t say she did.
I didn’t say he was. I asked what makes him credible. Do you believe him simply because he says what you want to believe, or because you have independent reasons to regard him as a credible expert or authority?
Sounds like a credible person, huh?
Care to offer any quotes?
Care to explain what this has to do with anything in the article?
Prove it.
Feel free to demonstrate how masturbation is a sign of a lack of self-control.
Funny how Christian theologians and institutions have placed the primary blame with Eve — and therefore all women.
That’s a falsehood. Not only were women speaking out in Christian circles, but in pagan circles as well. Women were not equals to men, but they weren’t always told to sit down and shut up.
Besdies, if what you said were true, then Paul wouldn’t need to issue a specific injunction, would he? The only reason for bringing it up is because women are getting uppity by speaking out.
“Funny how Christian theologians and institutions have placed the primary blame with Eve — and therefore all women.”
I just wrote that Non-pigheaded Christianity does not place the blame solely on Eve. God did not either.
Perhaps, this is is one of your cornerstone arguments in being an atheist. Even when someone says it’s not, it is in your eyes.
Prove to ME that the earth was not created by a grand plan/ if everything is connected, then why and for what purpose? Perhaps because it all stems from one Creator.
Problem is, their version of Christianity is no less legitimate than yours. Indeed, theirs has stood the test of time.
It’s your claim that it was, thus the burden of proof is yours. I don’t expect you to meet this obligation, though, because I asked you several times to support your previous claims and you ignored every one.
I die to you
So, not that my opinion counts or anything, but Austin, you haven’t answered any of her challenges either. You have the burden of proof that there is NO God, and you have yet to explain your position. You are doing the exact same thing that you are complaining about.
“That’s a falsehood. Not only were women speaking out in Christian circles, but in pagan circles as well. Women were not equals to men, but they weren’t always told to sit down and shut up.” – Where did you get this information?
Why?
The information about the status of women in pagan society? I just read up on ancient history. For just one example, look at the biography of Hypatia of Alexandria.
God said that sex is good. (after he created everything, he looked over it ALL and said that is good–and that includes sex). In fact, he actually ordered Adam and Eve over to their grassy mattress and told ‘em to get busy. (okay, so the details about the mattress being made of grass is imagined, but God’s order to start having a lot of sex is fact).
So what’s up with the Christians being so frigid?
Well, I’d have to say that it doesn’t really have anything to do with the Bible (Well, hello! Hasn’t ANYONE around here read Song of Solomon, otherwise known as Song of Songs?! Talk about *graphic* literature!) but it has to do with historic Christian individuals adding to what scripture already says, for whatever motive.
I’m a Christian, and believe me, when I get married, missionary position is not the only trick up my sleeve! I believe it is our duties, both of men and women, to satisfy our wives and husbands so that they are indeed satisfied, blissfully satisfied, and not needing to take a peek at the grass that is supposedly always greener on the other side. In other words, I’m keeping my grass green for my spouse!
God did design men and women this way, so that we would be seriously attracted to each other…
God says sex is good, and yes, he gives us boundaries.
Sex outside of [heterosexual] marriage is an abomination.
And, Jesus said that simply thinking about a person sexually is just as bad as actually ‘doing it’. So, when we masturbate, are we thinking of mocha frappes, weeping willows, or our to-do lists for tomorrow? No, we’re envisioning and desiring, aka lusting after either a person we know or a hot-bodied stranger. Sex out-of-boundaries is committed in the act of masturbation, and this is why we shouldn’t do it.
Unless we’re married, and masturbating thinking of our spouse or in front of our spouse, for our spouse’s pleasure and our pleasure.
I’d say that the only real abomination is having such attitudes towards sexual acts.
Wait a second. So it’s OK to use the image of a person as a substitute partner instead of the person himself or herself? That’s not adultery or an abomination?
Isn’t that the same sort of thinking that leads to, oh, I don’t know, worshipping pictures and status of Jesus and/or God as the real McCoys? And isn’t that IDOLATRY? You wouldn’t worship a golden calf as a God, now, would you? Then how can you call the image in your mind that of your spouse? They’re not the same.
Wanking is wanking is wanking. Your religion says it’s bad. So either don’t do it, and be a perfectly repressed and self-righteous prig, or realize that your religion is morally perverse by telling you not to do something that is perfectly natural and in fact far more healthy than what many people do with or to others.
As Christians are quick to say, everything that Jesus says is related to the world of the spirit, not the world of ordinary experience. There are few courts that would prosecute someone for their thoughts as even worse than their deeds.
If you are going to set up a protection racket based on the search for virtue, you have to convince people that there is something wrong with them in the first place. What better thing is there than sex (which is a normal and natural weakness) to prey upon.
Not everyone fantasizes about other people when they masturbate, Future Sex Addict.
I’ll put this point first. I AM AN OCTOGENARIAN.
O.K. Some will say he doesn’t have the right to pontificate. Wrong.
I married (Atheistically) at age 25 after many years at sea. My wife was my first sexual experience. Masturbation is like any other body emission. It has to come out.
Either assisted or as the polite term is as a “Nocturnal emission.”
If a male claims he hasn’t masturbated he is either a liar or asexual.
I have seen stallions relieving themselves on low bushes. Bulls ejaculating at the sight of cows unattainable on the other side of a fence. Apes do it. Dogs will hump a leg or a cushion.
Natural body function end of story.
tomedgar@halenet.com.au
after he created everything, he looked over it ALL and said that is good–and that includes sex — Future Sex Addict, Pending Marriage on November 3, 2008 at 12:02 am
So… you are saying that God likes to watch?
I don’t need Kathy Gallagher’s help. Unless she’s pretty hot, in which case she’s welcome to send me some photos of herself . . .
The fact that the devoutly religious consider masturbation to be “sinful” is yet another reason to do it. Preferably while blaspheming all the gods you can name.
The Pharisee’s were the teacher’s of the law back in the day of Jesus. They were hypocritical, religious, self righteous, and judge mental. Jesus, was opposed to their way of thinking. The “yeast” of the Pharisee’s is a yeast that penetrates all of humanity, religious or not. When it is mixed with Christianity you have the ever popular, judge mental Christian. The self-righteous and hypocrital Christian. It’s a no brainer when you look at history and how it has destroyed the teachings of Jesus. God is not opposed to the wanting of sexual gratification for yourself. Just read the Song of Songs. He created sex for us to enjoy together and obviously for ourselves. Porn addiction, when looked at from a loving creator who gave us sex as a gift, see’s it as a prison. A way to deal with sexuality when a person is terribly afraid of intimacy. He would rather us be healed from the wounds from childhood and love a parner freely and sexually. Beware of Christians who make Christianity out to be a “chore”. When Christ said to “deny yourself” he did not mean to not love sex or try not to enjoy an orgasm. Insanity. That is not God’s heart if you choose to get to know Him. Beware of the Pharisee’s with a Christian label taped to their forehead.
Interesting to read the discussion–I am a woman in recovery for sexual addiction. I believe in God. I used to be a judgmental Christian, but not anymore. I no longer have to think I am always right, or prove I am always right.
vjack, when I read your “Sex addiction among Christian women, huh? Note to self: date more Christian women.” I had to laugh!!
Yep, that’s about how it is.
To my friends the atheists: It all takes faith. By faith you believe there is no God (or however you phrase your philosophy). By faith I believe there is a God who is powerful and good and loving. None of us can prove our side. Personally, I think I get the good end of the deal because God loves me so much and is teaching me what a true father is like! (My own father was angry, harsh, and distant)
I got into recovery because my addiction was ruining our marriage, and I wanted better than that. So with the help of God who created sex to be enjoyed, and the support of a few trusted people, I am going to learn how to enjoy sex in my own marriage.
At one time I was so tempted to have affairs that I didn’t care what God thought, (not my usual mode of operation-ha) but when I saw how much it hurt my husband, that made me stop and think and get help. I believe we will feel most fulfilled by cultivating the important relationships in our lives–for me this is with my maker and with others.
Personally, I don’t see masturbation mentioned in the Bible. I’ve heard the arguments for and against. For me it is a personal choice to abstain from masturbation, because I saw that in my case it “used up” my passion and I had nothing left for my husband.
I’m proud of myself and any other woman who is seeking with God’s help to have a more enjoyable sex life than the slavery of sexual addiction.
Merry Christmas to all of you (whether you celebrate the “Christ” or not!
In regards to women speaking out of turn you will find that this was a world wide practice. Lets look at it from a logical point of view, Men were educated and trained and women were not. They were unqualified so to speak, God doesn’t put any lesser value on Man or Woman!
Masturbation IS self centered, IS harmful, IS against Gods will, IS disrespectful of our bodies and IS disrespectful to those we choose to Marry. I know because I have been down there and I wish I had thought my actions through properly…as an 18 year old virgin sex addict I would say that the best thing that has helped me deal with it is telling someone, it can be the hardest thing in the world but once it is out it is out…remember that ’sin has power in its secrecy’. Also know your weaknesses and arm yourself against them.
Women if you have this problem you are not alone…
You can break free of it!
OK, prove it.
The only harm iis in overindulgence
Masturbation IS self centered, IS harmful, IS against Gods will, IS disrespectful of our bodies and IS disrespectful to those we choose to Marry.
===============================
There is nothing harmful about masturbation unless it makes you non-functional. There is no God, so who cares about his will. It cannot be both self-centered and disrespectful of our bodies at the same time. Everybody should be doing something self-centered every once in a while, especially something like this which doesn’t harm others. And finally, marriage is evil. I only care whether it is disrespectful to someone I love, which it isn’t.
It is all God’s fault, you know.
He gave Adam a penis and Eve a vagina. In paradise, they do not know what to do with sex until a talking snake came along.
Satan touched eve’s naked body . Cain was born, a killer and murderer. Of course, being son of satan.
Then Eve touched Adam. Original sin ? How can he refuse with a god-given penis same as a monkey’s. Did god create the monkey first ?
WOW ! What a story ! !. And sex is sin ?