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By Austin Cline, About.com Guide to Atheism since 1998

Atheism is Not a Belief System (Does This Really Need Repeating?)

Monday June 11, 2007
Over and over again, atheists have to keep repeating the fact that atheism is not a belief system, an ideology, a religion, a philosophy, or anything similar. What makes this especially annoying is that even if we pretend that atheism were just the denial of the existence of gods rather than a mere disbelief in god, that still wouldn't qualify as a belief system — a single belief cannot be a belief system. Thus, the most common misunderstanding about atheism contradicts this misunderstanding, but it still has to be corrected on a regular basis.

Stan Nelson, news editor of the Pueblo Chieftain, writes:

Christians always should pay attention when atheists speak, and especially when they take the lectern in the public square. They bring up a lot of important points that believers should think about.

For one example, Dawkins' strong suit is his argument against the rationality of belief in God.

Unfortunately, not everything he writes is as fair or as accurate:

The truth is that atheism and religion stand on the same, blood-soaked level, one as culpable as the other. But the reason for that is atheism and religion are not strict opposites. Atheism is not the opposite of religion, but of faith, specifically in God or, for that matter, any god or gods. Religion is the demonstration of faith, defined in prosaic terms in James' epistle: "To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

Faith is the basic idea of belief - "the substance of things hoped for," as the writer of Hebrews put it. Does faith kill? Well, we can say that people have been killed because of their faith. Often, those people accepted their beliefs despite the threat of death....

So we're left with the dismal fact that religion and atheism can kill, because as practical belief systems, they allow such abuse, even if they should not. Investigation and experience tell us, however, that faith can and does save life, sometimes in a quite practical sense, in too many examples to list here.

Does atheism do that?

Stan Nelson comes so close to saying the right and accurate things, but then at the last minute falls short. Because of this, I decided that instead of immediately writing a critical blog post, I thought I would write directly to Stan Nelson. I thought that it would be more productive and might even lead to real progress.

Oh, how wrong I was. Here is my first email:

You came so close to saying so many correct things about atheism, but then at the last moments fell so far short, that your column was actually more disappointing that the vast majority of pieces which completely misrepresent atheism from beginning to end.

This was true, almost: "Atheism is not the opposite of religion, but of faith, specifically in God or, for that matter, any god or gods."

It would be more accurate to say that atheism is not the opposite of religion, but the opposite of theism - or, more accurately, the lack of theism. A theist is a person who believes in at least one god of some sort, but they don't necessarily have "faith" in the traditional Christian sense. An atheist is a person without theism, not simply without a traditional Christian sort of theism.

Here, however, you go very wrong: "So we're left with the dismal fact that religion and atheism can kill, because as practical belief systems, they allow such abuse, even if they should not."

This is an error that many make. Atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion, an ideology, a world view, or anything like that. If this seems wrong, consider the fact that theism is also not a belief system, religion, ideology, world view, or anything like that. Theism and atheism are single data points or positions: theism is the presence of a belief in the existence of at least one god of some sort, atheism is the absence of any sort of belief.

While theism is not a belief system, many belief systems are theistic in that they contain or rely upon theism. Christianity is a theistic belief system (specifically, a theistic religion). Many new age belief systems are also theistic. A political party founded on Christianity would probably qualify as a theistic ideology.

All the same is true about atheism: while atheism itself is not a belief system, there are many belief systems which are atheistic. Objectivism and Humanism are atheistic philosophies. There are also atheistic religions: Religious Humanism, Raelians, Ethical Culture, some forms of Buddhism, etc.

All this is why your final comment goes so far wrong: "Investigation and experience tell us, however, that faith can and does save life, sometimes in a quite practical sense, in too many examples to list here. Does atheism do that?"

You're comparing apples and oranges here: specific types of theistic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) against a mere data point that is part of various belief systems (atheism). Does the absence of belief in angels save a life? Does the absence of belief in aliens save a life? Those are nonsensical questions. It would also be nonsensical to ask if the mere presence of such beliefs save life. The same is true about the presence or absence of belief in gods. Such questions only make sense about coherent belief systems which are capable of inspiring or motivating people to action, not data points which by themselves are unable or at least highly unlikely to motivate anyone in any direction.

What you need to compare is theistic belief systems against atheistic belief systems, not theism against atheistic belief systems or atheism against theistic belief systems. Compare theistic Christianity to atheistic Buddhism, or theistic Islam to atheistic Humanism. Those are just comparisons. Mere atheism and theism, with nothing added, don't motivate anyone to do anything. Theistic and atheistic belief systems, which incorporate a great deal more than the mere presence or absence of belief in any gods, may motivate people to do good or ill.

Stan Nelson's response: "The argument that atheism is not a belief system is just too illogical."

That's pretty disappointing — especially in how quickly dismissive the response was. There is no effort to either directly reject anything I wrote or to substantively support the opposite. I would have expected a newspaper's editor to care about learning something new and gaining information about the world. However, I tried to persevere by explaining what the definition of atheism is. I included:

When you described atheism as a belief system, you made a common error but it is an error nonetheless. If you want to talk about logic, there's a simple observation that might make it clear for you. If "atheism" is a "belief system," then you should be able to point to the single belief system that is shared by all Objectivists, communists, liberals, conservatives, Buddhists, Raelians, anarchists, Religious Humanists, Secular Humanists, Jews, and libertarians who are atheists. What is that belief system? What are it's various premises, positions, doctrines, propositions, etc.?

After a couple of minutes, you'll find that you can't point to any such thing. There is no "belief system" shared by all those atheists. Some, like the Objectivists and communists, are practically at each other's throats they disagree on so much. These are all very different and incompatible belief systems that atheists hold, just as theists all hold different, varying, and incompatible belief systems. If you tell me you're a theist, there is nothing I can assume about any of your other beliefs. When I tell you I'm an atheist, there is nothing you can assume about any of my other beliefs.

That's to be expected if theism and atheism aren't belief systems.

Unfortunately, Stan Nelson basically ignored everything I wrote and continued to insist that it's "illogical" for atheism to be a belief system, saying in part:

The irony of unbelief is that is stands as a belief. Therefore, no belief system - even if it's a belief in nothing - is based on unbelief. And therefore, atheism supports a belief system, and therefore, stands as a belief system.

Pretty sad that someone who doesn't understand that is a source author for about.com - and apparently has spent a great deal of energy in support of an argument (which it still is) that doesn't hold water.

Even if we define atheism very narrowly as the denial of the existence of any gods, Stan Nelson never explains how that can be a belief system. I have spent a fair amount of time writing out explanations about this. For some reason, there are quite a few religious theists — mostly Christians — who can't wrap their minds around the idea that an absence of belief in gods is not and cannot, by definition, be a belief system. People have no trouble recognizing that an absence of belief in elves is not a belief system, that a denial of the existence of Bigfoot is not a belief system, and that not collecting stamps is not a hobby.

When the word "god" enters the conversation, though, all that common sense suddenly evaporates. I've never been able to figure out why, but I thought it a good idea to have multiple lines of explanation available for those who have trouble understanding the basics. Unfortunately, it seems that I have failed. Despite how simple the definition is, I have been unable to make it comprehensible to Stan Nelson.

In cases like Stan Nelson's, though, it's hard not to describe the situation as anything less than sheer arrogance: despite apparently knowing absolutely nothing about atheism or atheists, he still feels qualified to assert that he has a better understanding about the "real nature" of atheism than atheists themselves. In fact, he appears to be so convinced of his position that he doesn't feel any need to justify, explain, or support it — it appears that he considers it sufficient to just keep repeating it over and over. He doesn't need to explain why so many others are wrong nor does he need to explain why his position is correct; instead, he just needs to say it and that should settle matters.

Perhaps others can do better? If you have an idea about how better explain why atheism alone cannot be an entire belief system, you can contact Stan Nelson via his newspaper email address. You can also write a Letter to the Editor (also: email) to complain about a news editor who misrepresents the topic of his editorial, or even just write to the managing editor if you really want (though I'm not sure what that would accomplish). If you do write anything, please post your messages here so we can all learn more.

Comments

June 11, 2007 at 2:10 pm
(1) Ron says:

in other words, the question is: is not beieving something a belief system?

June 11, 2007 at 2:23 pm
(2) Austin Cline says:

in other words, the question is: is not beieving something a belief system?

If I say “I do not believe so,” would Stan Nelson tell me that this is another belief system I have?

June 11, 2007 at 2:32 pm
(3) TCorp says:

If atheism is a religion, then bald is a hair color.

June 11, 2007 at 5:10 pm
(4) mobathome says:

In his defense, Stan Nelson does seem to provide this line of reasoning:
– Unbelief stands as a belief. This goes against the plain meaning of unbelief.
– Therefore, no belief system is based on unbelief. This appears to support Austin if we identify atheism as an unbelief.
– Therefore, atheism supports a belief system. A non-sequitur.
– Therefore, atheism stands as a belief system. Another non-sequitur.

June 11, 2007 at 10:10 pm
(5) Jeremy says:

With that kind of logic, Nelson may have solved many of the world’s problems in one swoop. We can now say the unemployed are hard at work with not having a job, the impoverished are well invested in having no money, the homeless are dwelling in their spectacular no homes and the hungry are gorging themselves on no food. I think Nelson deserves a Noble Prize for his work here.

June 12, 2007 at 5:59 pm
(6) tobe38 says:

You make an excellent point comparing atheism to theism itself.

Nelson’s comments to you were incredibly condescending. After the article I didn’t think he could go much lower in my books, but that’s done it.

If anyone’s interested, I’ve written my response to the article here.

June 15, 2007 at 9:09 pm
(7) John Hanks says:

Atheism does have an intellectual tradition and a set of starting assumptions like “religion is hokum”. If it ever did have a belief system, there would be an “atheist” standing outside and shooting at it.

June 17, 2007 at 7:30 pm
(8) nullifidian says:

John Hanks wrote: Atheism does have an intellectual tradition and a set of starting assumptions like “religion is hokum”.

I’m more inclined to say that the “religion is hokum” is a conclusion of atheism, rather than a defining assumption. One can easily be an atheist and a religionist (although obviously not a theist).

June 18, 2007 at 10:48 pm
(9) Ed says:

Stan Nelson must be an idiot.

June 20, 2007 at 1:23 pm
(10) tracieh says:

>“religion is hokum”

There are secular Buddhists. I assume they approve of the Buddist religion, even though they’re atheists. Also, I don’t recall that Taoism requires a belief in god, either. I doubt those are the only two religions that might apply to atheists–but they’re two that come immediately to my mind.

March 23, 2009 at 9:19 pm
(11) Jack Bruening says:

Proving that god or gods do not exist and never have existed is a daunting task, in so far as proving anything does not exist somewhere is more or less impossible. At very least “god” does exist as a concept, the same way “freedom” and “justice” exist. Whether or not god exists as 1 or more entities is another matter. The aetheist believes god exists as zero entities. Whether this is a belief or a system of belief is a trivial semantic issue. I believe in disbelief. But I would leave room for the possibility that many things that exist are not apparent to our senses.

March 31, 2009 at 3:38 pm
(12) John Hanks says:

Proof is a mathematical concept.

March 31, 2009 at 9:18 pm
(13) Zack says:

Hard to believe that the newspapers are all sinking, with thought-leaders such as Stan at their helms.

April 1, 2009 at 1:59 am
(14) Tom Edgar says:

I disagree with those who say it is impossible to prove that there is NO God.

Th easiest way is to find verifiable evidence for the EXISTENCE of any God. I have searched for over seven decades. So far not one piece of evidence. Ergo God does not exist.

April 1, 2009 at 4:45 pm
(15) Drew says:

Great work Austin. I followed the links you provided.

June 19, 2009 at 2:02 am
(16) Nougat says:

> … all that common sense suddenly evaporates. I’ve never been able to figure out why, …

Human beings almost universally wear clothes in public, and we have been doing so since the beginning of recorded history. “Not wearing clothes in public” – nudism – can arguably be described as a hobby.

It’s because almost every human being who has ever lived has been born into, lived, and died theism that theism is today the “default state” of any given individual. Removing that belief is like removing one’s clothes at the mall. It’s not really hurting anyone, but people are sure going to look at you like you’re crazy.

June 19, 2009 at 9:29 am
(17) Tom White says:

Basically, the two points under discussion can be stated as: “I do not believe in god” (atheism) or “I believe there is no god” (antitheism). Antitheism is actually a belief, where atheism is not.

This entire argument is really quite silly, and yet another example of “Cultural Warfare by Semantics” that has been practiced time and time again. I believe there’s a word for that, also: “Propaganda”.

June 19, 2009 at 9:37 am
(18) Petie says:

Simply not believing in elves is not much of a belief system.

But, not believing in elves so far as to actively try to disprove elves, blog that elves don’t exist, spend money advertising that elves don’t exist, and take the time and effort and resources to ridicule elf believers (i.e. Celts), then it most definately turns into a belief system.

I do subscribe that proactive Atheism is indeed a belief system. Atheism has leaders, has agendas, has literature and arguments, has followers. It’s organized, though different from a church or Moose Lodge. And it, too, is deadly — see human rights violations, espicially those of China and early to mid Soviet Union. You can’t tell me the Dalai Lama and Buddhists started the violence, death, destruction, and torture, between them and Red China. Though, you will try…

Or that the Jews, Christians, Muslims, Gypsies, and other religeous groups started the conflicts between them and their murderous governments. Though you will try…

And you wonder why Israelies are armed to the teeth – simply to never let the autrocities against them happen again. Violence brought upon them by wicked men. Yeah, yeah, you’ll say Hitler used Christianity as a tool, but Christians and Gypsies were imprisoned and killed, too. And the Catholic Church helped thousands of Jews escape the brutality. Though, I’m sure you’ll tell me otherwise…

Definately, atheism has it’s leaders and followers.

July 2, 2009 at 10:17 am
(19) Richard Collins says:

The people who promote the position that atheism is a belief system are no doubt confused between humanism and atheism or they lack fine control over their gunsights. Not all atheists are humanists, but probably the majority would majorly agree with the various humanist manifestos that are extant around the world. It is secular humanism that the theists are getting their wigs displaced over because that is a genuine world view that is anti-theist, organized, and humanists speak out. Humanists are thoughtful and kind and do leave room for freedom of consciousness as all thinking people must. They just want religion to go back to being a private matter, like masturbation, gluttony, nudity and other self-gratifications that are best not paraded in public.

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