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Chuck Norris, Anti-Atheist Bigot: Real Christians Don't Vote for Atheists

By May 23, 2007

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Once a popular actor, Chuck Norris seems to be trying to re-invent himself as an opinion columnist who focuses on promoting the political and religious agenda of Christian extremism. He already has a list of pieces that distort history and politics for the sake of attacking church/state separation and now he is moving to attack atheists as well. The primary theme which Chuck Norris seems to focus on, but conveniently leaves unstated, is that Christianity loses if atheism comes to be seen as normal, acceptable, and reasonable.

He's probably right, too.

First, Chuck Norris wrote:

America is facing a new religious horizon in which atheism is becoming a formidable foe. Though the majority of Americans continue to claim to be Christians, a Gallup poll discovered 45 percent of us would support an atheist for president. Such a survey is a clear indication that the secularization of society is alive and well.

It would probably be difficult to come up with a more unambiguous, unequivocal statement of anti-atheist bigotry and animus. Despite the fact that more people would refuse to vote for an otherwise qualified candidate for public office solely due to their atheism than due to any other characteristic, Chuck Norris believes that those numbers aren't high enough. Chuck Norris expresses here the idea that there is something contradictory about being a Christian and voting for an atheist — apparently real Christians are too bigoted to vote for atheists. The minority of Americans who would be willing to vote for an atheist cannot be genuine Christians.

Imagine if Chuck Norris had instead expressed disbelief that real Christians would vote for a Jew, a Catholic, or any non-evangelical, non-fundamentalist, non-Protestant Christian? The unabashed bigotry of such a position would be clear and unmistakable — I guarantee that you'd see at least some reporting of this in the mainstream media (though probably not enough). Because Chuck Norris is denying that atheists are fit for public office, though, there's just no story here.

Though the U.S. Constitution outlaws religious discrimination, these organizations and individuals would love nothing more than to help society look with distain upon Christianity and, ultimately, make its components illegal. In fact, right now, they are coalescing and rallying at least 5 million of their troops to mount counter offensives to Christianity.

For that reason I believe theistic patriots need to be wise to atheists' overt and covert schemes, exposing their agenda and fighting to lay waste to their plans. For these liberal groups to win the war of ideological dominance, they know they must minimize the effects of Christianity, which many are doing (unbeknownst to others) behind the scenes through lobbying and legislation.

A primary theme here is, obviously, the claim that atheists are trying to make Christianity "illegal." That this entire notion is beyond ludicrous is demonstrated ably by Zachary Moore through the terribly underhanded tactic of taking away the distracting rhetoric and distilling Norris' argument to its constituent parts:

Outlawing Christianity
  1. by causing a goof-up at the mint, resulting in "In God We Trust" being accidentally left off some new dollar coins.
  2. by joining the Freedom From Religion Foundation and ensuring that the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution is correctly applied.
  3. by discovering the existence of a nonbelieving Congressman.
  4. by forcing Congress to pass a hate-crime bill.
Targeting Children
  1. by daring to raise them without religion.
  2. by offering a non-religious summer camp for freethinking kids.
  3. by providing an online forum to allow teenagers to question faith.
  4. by offering unholy Richard Dawkins link buttons for MySpace pages.
Promoting Atheism
  1. by purchasing Richard Dawkins' "atheist bible."
  2. by allowing Sam Harris to write letters.
  3. by ignoring the science that proves God.

To give Chuck Norris at least some credit, he is right to notice that the effects of traditional, orthodox Christianity are being minimized — but that's as close as he manages to come to a legitimate and accurate point. Unfortunately, he fails to understand the reality of America's past and history by attributing this development to evil atheists.

I'm sure many of us might like to take credit for this, but we can't. The effects of Christianity are being minimized becauase in an increasingly secular culture, more and more people are finding out for themselves that they just don’t need traditional, orthodox religion in order to enjoy life. The more people who notice this, the more secular the culture can become. This is why traditional religion has declined so much — even though many people remain religious theists, they abandon orthodox doctrines to a large extend. Secular atheism, of course, benefits as well but the changes go well beyond that.

In a sequel, Chuck Norris writes:

While you think your kids are innocently surfing the Web, secular progressives are intentionally preying on their innocence and naïveté. What's preposterous is that atheists are now advertising and soliciting on websites particularly created for teens.

Oh my, atheists are telling young people about what atheism is, who atheists are, and that there is not only nothing wrong with atheism but may, in fact, be a more reasonable position than any religious theism. Horrors! You won't find Chuck Norris complaining about religious groups aiming advertising at young people — so clearly, it's not advertising per se that he objects to. No, it's just atheism being advertised that he objects to.

Moreover, there isn't anything specific in atheist messages that he says is objectionable — you won't find Chuck Norris singling out particular messages and phrases which he can explain are inappropriate. It's just atheist advertising in general that's got him so worked up. This fits in quite well with the thesis that what bothers Christians like Chuck Norris is the prospect of atheism being viewed by very many people as unobjectionable and perhaps even positive in and of itself.

Americans for "Truth," headed by Peter LaBarbera, declares in response to Norris' article that "Of all the evils that are marketed to young people, none is more sinister than the marketing of atheism" I don't for a minute imagine that LaBarbera was ever a friend to atheists, but I share this to demonstrate the effects that bigoted articles like Norris' can have. Atheism is being treated by some as worse than pornography, drugs, violence, etc. and Chuck Norris is actively encouraging this demonization of atheists.

Presenting atheism as scientific fact might be secularists' greatest plan and others point of greatest gullibility, in hope of winning the battle for the ultimate view of reality. ...So what credentials does a man like Dawkins have to discuss the presence or absence of God? Answer: He's "a scientist."

Although Chuck Norris doesn’t come right out and say it, I think he's trying to hint at the tired old argument that "God" is outside the realm of scientific observation, testing, and knowledge. Lots of religious theists rely on some form of this argument in order to deflect secular or scientific challenges to their beliefs, but it's more common to see this from liberal rather than conservative believers.

Why? Because liberal believers are so often engaged in attempts to eliminate clear, empirical claims from their religion and retreat to vague, insubstantial metaphors. Conservative believers recognize that their religion cannot exist in any meaningful or relevant sense if it is so disconnected from everyday reality that it makes no testable, observable claims. Once such claims exist, though, that religion moves into the realm of science.

So, does Chuck Norris recognize the trap he's setting for himself here? If he sticks with the above line of reasoning, he'll be forced to join liberal believers in arguing that his religion is a load of metaphors that are beyond scientific testing. If, however, he attempts to retain religious beliefs which impact the world around us, then he will be forced to admit that scientists will end up having something relevant and important to say.

Then again, maybe he's just never given any of this any serious thought. What do you suppose the chances of that are?

Dawkins condemns Christians for being narrow minded and non-adaptive to other cultures which believed in Thor or Zeus, yet he is unwavering in disrespecting any other creation authority except Western science. What about the wisdom of African, Middle-Eastern or Far-Eastern sages, shamans, or religious figures? Just because science can explain many things in the natural realm, does that mean it owns the corner market on metaphysics and God?

Science, by virtue of its methodology, owns the corner market on helping us determine what is and is not true about our shared physical reality. Insofar as any of the claims by "religious figures" have implications for our physical reality, science owns the corner market on determining whether those implications hold true — and, therefore, whether the original claims are likely true or not.

Insofar as any metaphysical or theistic claims have no implications for our shared, physical reality, then natural science can't have much to say on the matter and certainly doesn't own the corner market on determining whether they are true or not. Then again, when it comes to such claims, it's impossible to determine what the difference is between their being true and their being false. If there is no difference, then the claims simply have no substance or relevance. If religious theists like Chuck Norris wish to reduce their religious beliefs to such a level, they are more than welcome.

Comments
May 23, 2007 at 9:30 pm
(1) Amber says:

I used to LOVE Chuck Norris, and then a friend told me it was his character on Walker Texas Ranger that I liked and not really him. I had no clue he was so….disappointing. I was saddened when I realized which way his beliefs swung. I would have been fine with him being a Christian (or any other religion), but not a horrible one! I want Cordell Walker back!

May 24, 2007 at 1:56 am
(2) ernie says:

See what happens when you take too many roundhouse kicks to the head?! Ya see!?

Hopefully his dementia soon progresses to Ali-level, leaving his fingers unable to type. We can still enjoy him when he jitter-walks on stage with the Greatest and Michael J.Fox for Alzheimer Charity galas.

May 25, 2007 at 4:39 pm
(3) Todd says:

There is no “theory of evolution” only a list of things Chuck Norris allows to live.

Chuck Norris can speak Braille and slam revolving doors.

May 25, 2007 at 7:56 pm
(4) Uncle Sparticus says:

I used to love Chuck. Me and my henchmen used to say all those retarded sayings about him like, “Chuck Norris doesn’t mow the lawn, he dares it to grow”. Not now. That bastard hates atheism, so by god, if that means I have to dislike the creator of the cosmoverse (Chuck Norris), I will.

May 26, 2007 at 1:37 am
(5) John B. says:

Actually, I was thinking about turning atheistic, but I’m going to stay agnostic. Despite your pot shots, he quotes some notable scientists at the end of the article (Davies, Horgan, Jastrow, etc.) and makes a valid point that science can’t explain everything (and we have our own biases too). I’m not saying he whole article was perfect, but I was surprised at his reasonable logic to be honest.
As an agnostic, I think Chucky made a great case for us. Atheism is a weak alternative, does presume too much upon “what’s behind the curtain,” and cannot be defended scientifically–as any other metaphysical belief cannot. Dawkins has something to learn from profs like Davies and science writers like Horgan. Dawkins is definitely over-rated right now. As an astronomy major, I believe Chuck made some great points. I’m surprised he knows as much as he does. Not enough know about the work of Horgan and Davies–who have been working metaphysics far before Dawkins came on the scene.

May 26, 2007 at 6:42 am
(6) Austin Cline says:

Actually, I was thinking about turning atheistic, but I’m going to stay agnostic.

Being an atheist isn’t something you “decide.” Either you believe in gods or you don’t; if you do you’re a theist and if you don’t you’re an atheist. Being an agnostic is an entirely separate issue.

Despite your pot shots, he quotes some notable scientists at the end of the article (Davies, Horgan, Jastrow, etc.) and makes a valid point that science can’t explain everything

It’s not a “valid point” because no one has suggested that science has found all the answers to everything yet. Noting this un-debated fact is part of an effort to argue that science won’t explain the natural world and, therefore, that we need religion. Those are not valid conclusions.

As an agnostic, I think Chucky made a great case for us. Atheism is a weak alternative, does presume too much upon “what’s behind the curtain,” and cannot be defended scientifically–as any other metaphysical belief cannot.

Atheism is not a metaphysical belief and presumes nothing. A-theism is merely the absence of god-belief.

Dawkins has something to learn from profs like Davies and science writers like Horgan.

Like what? Please provide specific quotes of his which you can demonstrate are mistaken.

Do you think that “Chucky’s” case for you was at all impacted negatively by his unapologetic bigotry? Do you not even object to his bigotry?

May 26, 2007 at 3:02 pm
(7) mokin says:

Actually, I was thinking about turning atheistic, but I’m going to stay agnostic.

Did you say you are an astrology major?

May 26, 2007 at 3:36 pm
(8) Mr. Mark says:

The art of selling anything, including yourself, is to convince someone else that they need, must have, cannot live without, your product. Mr. Norris, who never understood anything about Buddhism or Christianity beyond that which he could merchandise for the popular culture, has found a ready audience of sheeple among the readers of WND, each of whom is in the grip of an unnameable fear, a dread hysteria that something awful is about to happen, they just KNOW it is, and thus, ripe for the picking.

Mr. Norris, to his credit, does an excellent job of putting a name and a face to that fear (a technique we also know as “scapegoating”), and then using that fear to create the need for a sense of moral stability and security, which is conveniently offered by way of hyperlinks to his website, where one can buy Chuck Norris in all sorts of ways.

I find it ironic that he has managed to elevate himself to the status of a false idol and a temple whore, to borrow imagery from one religion or another.

I find it sad that I used to study martial arts at one of his schools as a means of defending myself against the very Christian bullies he now champions. I value the lessons in self-confidence and self-assuredness I took from them, and Mr. Norris, if he does indeed believe even a fraction of the hatred he spews forth, may be surprised to find that atheists are not the dread evil he supposes, and are not nearly as weak as he believes.

May 31, 2007 at 7:39 am
(9) The unknown soldier says:

You know my grandmother taught me “If you cant say something nice don’t say nothing at all”!

# Proverbs 16:27
An ungodly man digs up evil, And it is on his lips like a burning fire.

Isaiah 28:22
Now therefore, do not be mockers, Lest your bonds be made strong; For I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts, A destruction determined even upon the whole earth.

# Jude 1:18
how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.

Psalm 1:1
[ The Way of the Righteous and the End of the Ungodly ] Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the SCORNFUL;

# Proverbs 11:31
If the righteous will be recompensed on the earth, How much more the ungodly and the sinner.

Jude 1:15
to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have SPOKEN against Him.”

John 3:15-21
15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

People Jesus is the way whether you believe it or not you still one day will stand before the judgment seat of Christ!

Christ bought our way out of damnation
with his life, for those who put their trust in him eternity is secured!

Repent therefore and believe the good news!

January 9, 2012 at 7:27 pm
(10) Paterfamilias says:

You know, MY grandmother taught me never to use a double negative.

May 31, 2007 at 8:46 am
(11) Austin Cline says:

You know my grandmother taught me “If you cant say something nice don’t say nothing at all”!

When people say and do vile, bigoted things, then those who remain quiet because someone taught them not to say bad things about bad people will in effect be aiding and abetting evil.

People Jesus is the way whether you believe it or not you still one day will stand before the judgment seat of Christ!

Quoting the Bible to people who don’t believe it has any sort of divine background doesn’t do any good. If you really want to talk to atheists, you have to approach them as people, not as extensions of your own beliefs or ideology.

June 6, 2007 at 4:45 am
(12) Anthony Bishop says:

I am an atheist.

I happen to think if you are a Christian you are morally weak if you are not actively bigoted against non-believers (either non-believers in your god or non-believers in any god).

I just can’t accept that the bible commits Christians to genocide and summary execution for all manner of crimes and Christians don’t carry these command out.

Come on Christians, be morally unambiguous and follow all the tenants of your Bible.

If you are too squeamish to follow clear instructions it is time to give it up entirley.

June 17, 2007 at 7:49 pm
(13) Lisa says:

Sounds like many of you are threatened by him. If he is as stupid as you say, why care what he says?

June 17, 2007 at 8:28 pm
(14) Austin Cline says:

Sounds like many of you are threatened by him.

Bigots can be a threat, yes.

If he is as stupid as you say, why care what he says?

I didn’t say he was stupid; however, being stupid is not a reason why one’s bigoted ideas shouldn’t be rebutted.

I notice, though, that you don’t say that any of the arguments offered here have been mistaken.

August 21, 2007 at 8:09 pm
(15) Mike says:

Science CAN explain things that are real, but it can’t explain the imaginary or non-existent!

This is what dopes who say science can’t explain “everything” mean. It can’t explain the figments of their imagination or the non-existent super-natural “realm”.

August 23, 2007 at 3:31 pm
(16) Benjamin says:

I care what he has to say because of the content of what he says. When someone says, “Tattoo an American flag with the words, “In God we trust,” on the forehead of every atheist.” I am going to object. The words in god we trust were never originally on american currency nor in the pledge of allegiance until the early 1950′s. The Knights of Columbus Campaigned and used their political clout in the fallout of the McCarthy era. To me, that is a violation of the separation of church and state and the first amendment and therefore should be repealed.

September 24, 2008 at 10:48 am
(17) Chad says:

The burning pit of hell is welcome to all who would even DARE to spit on the name of God, Chuck Norris’ decision to take this path only proved to make him stonger and you know whats sad? Do any of you even know how many God blaming atheists go to God on their death bed? They finally realize that they wasted their lives on CRAP and trying to bring down the christians because they want them to be as unhappy as they are. If you dont realize youre mistake on youre death bed…Youll have to find out when God askes you why you denied him in life…By then its TOO LATE! Atheists are the sadest people on earth…enjoy wallowing in youre sadness.

October 24, 2011 at 8:16 pm
(18) LeAtheist says:

Muhahaha ! Dude, when you’re dying, i can swear you people are ready to tell absolutely everything that can promess an hypothetical better death xD

ooohoo, hell !! Oh we’re so scared ^^
You creepy god love everyone, but he still manage to let us in deep shit, looking at us EVERYTIME, but still, if you do ANY little mistake, he send you in eternity of pain and torture ? xD
Waw, that is definitively definition of a loving god ! ^^

By the way, god should be by definition, good and almighty.
But fact is, horrible things happen in the world, to people than definitively didn’t deserve it, and that can’t do anything about it but die (like african child, dying, slooooowly, in pain, of starvation).
Considering that, the possibility of an only god good AND almighty is just contradictory. Which left us :

1 : Your god is good, but he can’t do anything about those things… Then he isn’t almighty and then, what make him god ? And then, if god himself isn’t almighty. Who is ? (what/who is the big boss then?)

2 : Your god is almighty (and can do something about those things) but he’s an asshole and just don’t want to do something. Then, why venerate him ? He can just fuck himself…

3 : He is not almighty NOR good. Then, we shouldn’t venerate him nor being afraid of….

By the way, have you all bigots thinks about Ancent Egypt religion ? ^^ (you know : anubis, horus, seth…etc….).
This religion, among others are called Mythology. But actually, what made them less reasonable than what you called religion. ^^
Seriously, why “this” should be a mythology, “this other one” a sect, and yours “definitively!” a religion ?

Cause you know, the flying egyptian god with falcon head, that’s ridiculous, but the speaking snake, THAT is logical ! ^^ [sarcasm off] (like said Bill Maher, you may know)
By the way, I recommend you “Religolous”, it just point out how your (but not only your) religion is stupid, or at least, based on stupid beliefs.

September 24, 2008 at 11:10 am
(19) Austin Cline says:

The burning pit of hell is welcome to all who would even DARE to spit on the name of God,

And this is what’s known as “love,” right?

Chuck Norris’ decision to take this path only proved to make him stonger and you know whats sad?

Being a bigot makes you stronger?

So, how strong does that make members of the KKK?

Do any of you even know how many God blaming atheists go to God on their death bed?

No. Do you? If so, please cite some numbers and sources.

They finally realize that they wasted their lives on CRAP and trying to bring down the christians because they want them to be as unhappy as they are.

And why do you think atheists are unhappy?

If you dont realize youre mistake on youre death bed…Youll have to find out when God askes you why you denied him in life…By then its TOO LATE!

Technically, according to Christian doctrine, repenting on your death bed isn’t too late.

Atheists are the sadest people on earth…enjoy wallowing in youre sadness.

Yet you’re the one making threats.

September 24, 2008 at 1:47 pm
(20) Chad Wadle says:

Congrats on misusing my words. What you refer to as threats are actually facts. I never said it was to late to repent on youre death bed I said thats what atheists often do. The burning pit of hell is the place waiting for all who dont repent. God gives you a lifetime to accept him and if you dont like eveything else there is a price to pay…By the way since when is Christianity bigotry? Oh and I do enjoy the way you use cold indifference as a tool to prove a point. I look forward to you using quotes to try and prove me wrong. KKK? ha nice one…try again

September 24, 2008 at 1:54 pm
(21) Austin Cline says:

Congrats on misusing my words. What you refer to as threats are actually facts.

Claiming that some unpleasant future is a “fact” doesn’t make it any less of a threat.

I never said it was to late to repent on youre death bed I said thats what atheists often do.

Perhaps that is what you mean, in which case I apologize.

The burning pit of hell is the place waiting for all who dont repent.

That’s what Christians believe. Since you can’t provide any good reasons to agree with you, why bother repeating it?

By the way since when is Christianity bigotry?

I didn’t say it was, though many Christaisn — like Chuck Norris — are bigots.

Oh and I do enjoy the way you use cold indifference as a tool to prove a point.

The truth is cold and indifferent.

I look forward to you using quotes to try and prove me wrong.

Actually, it’s your job to prove you’re right; all I need to do is point out your failure on this part.

September 24, 2008 at 5:34 pm
(22) Chad says:

answer me this ,one of sciences biggest laws is that nothing can come from nothing. I mention this because atheism believes in the big bang…Which came from nothing, that is one of the biggest contradictions I have ever seen.

September 24, 2008 at 6:06 pm
(23) Austin Cline says:

answer me this ,one of sciences biggest laws is that nothing can come from nothing.

Really? Could you cite where this law is written?

I mention this because atheism believes in the big bang…

Atheism does not “believe in” anything, much less “the big bang.” Atheists, though, tend to accept the results of science — and the Big Bang’s scientific foundations are about as solid as anything science has produced. Denying the Big Bang would be about as sensible as denying Plate Tectonics.

Which came from nothing, that is one of the biggest contradictions I have ever seen.

Perhaps it’s because you don’t know very much about the physics of the Big Bang. Or physics generally?

And what, exactly, does any of this have to do with Chuck Norris’ bigotry? Why does it seem as though you are simply changing the subject because you can’t answer the challenges that have been posed to you… or substantively defend Chuck Norris’ hate mongering?

September 24, 2008 at 10:31 pm
(24) Chad says:

I find it amusing that while you want me to give you evidence that i’m right you yourself haven’t given anything but insignificant complaints. What do you want? I cant give you scripture you’ll just say its nonsense I cant say look around at what God has made you’ll just go back to your physics…By the way its obvious your “you don’t know much about physics” is just a ploy…You cant explain explain it yourself can you? all you have is science laws…Made by man. While the bible was also written by man(instruction by God) is has been re-written over 5000 times anyone with common sense would be able to tell there is something about it that the world will not let die just stories? no. Historical documentation? not really more of a biography of a savior that died for everyone. Science is a mere bleak sorry attempt to understand GODS world. So I say you give me proof seeing as we all already know you really don’t want any from me in the first place. Oh and Chuck Norris I give respect for doing oh you know…the right thing.

September 24, 2008 at 10:40 pm
(25) Danny Renfro says:

Bah, with the arguing and the bitching. To each his own. Christians need to stop attacking atheists. Atheists could become a lot more respected if so many werent 14 year old emo kids lashing out at their conservative christian parents…until christmas that is.. Bottom line though arguing does nothing when neither side can be proven undeniably right. Calm down chad my boy.

September 25, 2008 at 12:24 am
(26) chad says:

Alrighty I don’t have anymore time to do this especially seeing as this is going nowhere fast so I’ll just break it down for ya I,m right your wrong you want evidence you, would never consider and you hopefully one day will see the light, enjoy your Chuck Norris Hating site (and you call him a bigot HA) I actually have a life and other things to do (like not paying to have this site hosted HAHAHAHA!!) Have fun using quotes to prove petty points and Jesus loves you even if you dont return the favor ^^

September 25, 2008 at 6:33 am
(27) Austin Cline says:

I find it amusing that while you want me to give you evidence that i’m right you yourself haven’t given anything but insignificant complaints.

I want you to support your claims. If I have made any claims you don’t think have been supported, feel free to say so.

By the way its obvious your “you don’t know much about physics” is just a ploy…

Well, if you do know much about physics, you’d recognize the problems in what you said.

You cant explain explain it yourself can you? all you have is science laws…Made by man.

So this “law” you said exists but which you can’t cite is only “made by man” and thus not absolute?

While the bible was also written by man(instruction by God) is has been re-written over 5000 times anyone with common sense would be able to tell there is something about it that the world will not let die just stories? no. Historical documentation? not really more of a biography of a savior that died for everyone.

Prove it.

Science is a mere bleak sorry attempt to understand GODS world.

Yet you don’t seem to have any problem using the fruits of that science.

Oh and Chuck Norris I give respect for doing oh you know…the right thing.

Bigotry and hate are the right thing?

and Jesus loves you even if you dont return the favor ^^

If your sort of hostile, insulting attitude is what is produced by that “love,” then it’s something I can do without.

September 25, 2008 at 6:35 am
(28) Austin Cline says:

Atheists could become a lot more respected if so many werent 14 year old emo kids lashing out at their conservative christian parents…until christmas that is..

So if that’s the reason why atheists aren’t respected, how do you explain the much higher rates of animus towards atheists in the past… before such kids?

Furthermore, where do you get your belief that there are “so many” such atheists? Is this simply something you made up while sitting at home on your own or do you have something like “facts” to back it up?

September 26, 2008 at 1:07 am
(29) MikeC says:

I wonder if Chad realizes he’d be just as adamant about some OTHER religion if he’d been born elsewhere in the world. He would not accept christianity as the “Truth”, because he’d KNOW that >insert religion here

September 26, 2008 at 1:11 am
(30) MikeC says:

Oops. it thought I meant HTML!

As I was saying, He would not accept christianity as the “Truth”, because he’d KNOW that -insert religion here- is the correct one.

All children are born atheist, and most are brainwashed into whatever superstition their family and/or region believes in.

If Chad had been born in Saudi Arabia, he’d probably be an Imam by now.

September 26, 2008 at 3:09 pm
(31) GOD says:

That is correct, there will be no take backs after you are dead. Unless you cross your fingers the whole time you are denying me. ;) Unless you are a golfer. Since I use them for lightening bolt target practice they all get a “mulligan” and may recant at the pearly gates. I will also be letting strippers in to be that cart girls. Hot strippers only though. Atheists will come up from hell to Caddy our Solid Platinum clubs and Gold plated silk Golf bags. Unless you want a cart. those will be bentleys driven by muslims. That will be all.

GOD

September 26, 2008 at 4:18 pm
(32) MrMarkAZ says:

Chuck Norris is so holy, his chest hairs cure cancer.

Chuck Norris proves there’s no such thing as evolution; there’s just species he allows to live, and those he roundhouse-kicks into extinction.

Chuck Norris keeps the fires of Hell burning just by the heat of his intensive stare.

September 26, 2008 at 9:41 pm
(33) TomEdgar says:

Chad.

Oh dear! Nothing comes from nothing, nothing ever could.

“IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS GOD.”

May I ask from whence and where???

tomedgar@halenet.com.au

September 27, 2008 at 6:18 am
(34) Zack says:

The burning pit of hell is welcome to all who would even DARE to spit on the name of God… — Chad on September 24, 2008 at 10:48 am

It sounds as if you sure hope this is true. Do you ever wonder why you feel that way? The answer will tell you a lot about yourself.

Do any of you even know how many God blaming atheists go to God on their death bed? — Chad on September 24, 2008 at 10:48 amthink is true. But how would you know something like this? You don’t. No one records this kind of statistic, so you’re simply making it up. But it is clear that you wish it was so, and that tells us more about you than it does about atheists or atheism.

By the way, do you have any idea how many Christians despair on their deathbeds, realizing too late that they have wasted their life in the service of a ghastly lie?

September 27, 2008 at 6:27 am
(35) Zack says:

Oopsie.

The burning pit of hell is welcome to all who would even DARE to spit on the name of God… — Chad on September 24, 2008 at 10:48 am

It sounds as if you sure hope this is true. Do you ever wonder why you feel that way? The answer will tell you a lot about yourself.

Do any of you even know how many God blaming atheists go to God on their death bed? — Chad on September 24, 2008 at 10:48 am

Again, you appear to enjoy thinking this is true. But how would you know something like this? You don’t. No one records this kind of statistic, so you’re simply making it up. (Doesn’t your Bible have a rule against bearing false witness?)

But it is clear that you wish it was so, and that tells us more about you than it does about atheists or atheism.

By the way, do you have any idea how many Christians despair on their deathbeds, realizing too late that they have wasted their life in the service of a ghastly lie?

September 27, 2008 at 2:01 pm
(36) Todd says:

If you are what you eat, Chuck Norris is cinder block, rebar and the tears of small children.

Chad, come back! i have to teach you the difference between “your” and “you’re”.

November 18, 2008 at 10:24 pm
(37) Amanda says:

God exists. If he sat you down himself and explained just how he made the world, you wouldn’t understand. He didn’t make us to understand. So how can we expect to make up words and explanations through a human invented science to try to figure it out. Science is cool but some people want to play make believe instead of trusting God. For example i could say dteople (not a real word) is the magic word to create a new world and it would be the same as saying atheism makes sense.

November 19, 2008 at 7:27 am
(38) Austin Cline says:

God exists.

Prove it.

Science is cool but some people want to play make believe instead of trusting God.

As far as I can tell, playing make believe is precisely what believers are doing.

For example i could say dteople (not a real word) is the magic word to create a new world and it would be the same as saying atheism makes sense.

Feel free to explain why you think atheism doesn’t make sense.

November 25, 2008 at 4:22 pm
(39) Drew says:

Which god exists Amanda? Thor? Isis? Zeus?

Or are you talking about “the big two” gods of monotheism, the Jewish desert-mountain god Yahweh or the Arabic Moon-god Allah? Or are they really one god? It’s so confusing, since theists can’t decide among themselves whether Allah and Yahweh are the same god or not. Just like every other theist, your “god” is a blank slate that is whatever you want it to be, and you pick and choose what you want to project onto your god. Peaceful theists have peaceful gods. Violent ones have violent gods. But no two people agree on all the details of what their god really is, or does.

“. . . some people want to play make believe . . .” Yes, they do. But they don’t like to use this label, so they use a euphamism to describe themselves: “religious”.

Science isn’t a “human invention”, it’s a process. It’s codified logic. It is responsible for all the useful knowledge that people have and use, even for those who do not recognise that they are using it.

You don’t use ‘dteople’ as a “magic word to create a new world”, you use “God” as your magic word to do this. Presumably you do so because actually finding out how the world works by reading the research and conclusions of experts requires more effort than you are interested in making.

November 26, 2008 at 6:39 am
(40) Pedro says:

Is it just me or are there more and more comments being made by theists that don’t make any sense?

November 26, 2008 at 6:41 am
(41) Andy Pettitt says:

The burning pit of hell is welcome to all who would even DARE to spit on the name of God, Chuck Norris’ decision to take this path only proved to make him stonger and you know whats sad?

While I’m glad that Chuck’s Christianity has made him ‘stonger’, it doesn’t appear to have done much for your spelling, grammar, or syntax, Chad.

November 26, 2008 at 5:26 pm
(42) John Hanks says:

The Babylonian skygod is just an old invention for social control. When people believe in this God, they are just fleshing out some born again psychosis. I do believe in the Quaker god within however,, but it remains a mystery that just shows up once in awhile.

January 10, 2009 at 4:14 am
(43) Sheryl says:

Faith is such a personal thing. My husband is an atheist (at least that’s what he claims). We match intellectually and agree on most things except faith. I’m not a blind follower of religion and my husband knows that I try to see all arguments very objectively so he really can’t understand why I stick to my faith. Faith comes from experiencing God. Priests and Catholic schools can only teach so much. There comes a time when a person has to decide what he/she believes based on his/her own experience.

I sometimes feel sorry for those who claim to be atheists. It is probably because they have never experienced being touched by God, or else were simply to blind to see it for what it is. It is such a beautiful experience, a feeling of being taken out of yourself, of seeing things very clearly for the very first time. Suddenly, you feel enveloped in love and you see goodness in everyone. You realize that we all are in this life together no matter our beliefs. We are the same. We love our families, we fear death, we crave comfort in times of sadness. Being touched by God made me feel one with all humankind. I wanted to hug the person next to me, a complete stranger. It was a very fleeting experience but it is something real, something worth reliving.

This experience has changed the way I see everything around me. There is beauty in everything although we might not see it often.

I wish this same experience to everyone, especially to those who profess to not know or believe in God. If you could experience this awakening even once in your life, you would not say the things you say. But perhaps when it does happen to you, it will be all the more beautiful because you go into it with open eyes. Perhaps doubt truly is the beginning of faith.

January 10, 2009 at 8:44 am
(44) Austin Cline says:

My husband is an atheist (at least that’s what he claims).  

You don’t believe he’s telling the truth?

I sometimes feel sorry for those who claim to be atheists.  

That’s as bigoted as saying that you feel sorry for people who claim to be Jews, or for people who claim to be gay.

It is probably because they have never experienced being touched by God, or else were simply to blind to see it for what it is.  

Or maybe you’re the one who is mistaken about what you think you’ve experienced. You aren’t infallible, are you?

It was a very fleeting experience but it is something real, something worth reliving.  

The fact that an experience is real does not mean that your interpretation of the origin and nature of the experience is infallibly correct. If it were, then what could you say to all the people who have radically different mystical experiences — experiences of a completely different deity and/or supernatural “truth”?

I wish this same experience to everyone, especially to those who profess to not know or believe in God.  

I wish the experience of reality to everyone, especially those who profess to know or believe in supernatural beings.

If you could experience this awakening even once in your life, you would not say the things you say.  

If you could experience the enlightenment of reality even once in your life, you would not say the bigoted things you say.

Perhaps doubt truly is the beginning of faith.

No, it’s the beginning of knowledge and understanding of reality. That’s the problem for people who profess to “have faith,” I suspect.

February 20, 2009 at 9:09 pm
(45) Paige says:

I’m a Christian but im not going to critisize people..but u people telling us to prove that God’s real is look around u..he gav it all too u..everything..but answer my question..pvoe it that God isnt real.

February 20, 2009 at 9:27 pm
(46) Austin Cline says:

but u people telling us to prove that God’s real is look around u..he gav it all too u..everything..

Sorry, I see no evidence of gods.

but answer my question..pvoe it that God isnt real.

Prove it that Odin isn’t real.

February 25, 2009 at 4:54 pm
(47) Danny Ambiance says:

I guess chuck accomplished his mission–he got everyone’s attention.

Why is everyone personalizing this.

I called out to Jesus (after living in my 67 Riviera–sleeping on a bean bag, stealing, doing drugs, etc.) and He answered. I am now living a totally different life. I still have troubles, but I have a peace I did not have prior to June 26, 1986.

Atheists are not my enemy. And even if they were, Jesus teaches, “Love your enemies.”

Satan (who the Bible refers to as the god of this world) is laughing his ass off right now, just seeing everyone build hate towards people they don’t even know.

The Bible’s definition of religion is this:

“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” (James 1:27)

….in other words, thinking of others; doing for other people; and watching our own behavior and attitude.

Christians…why do you want to argue??

When Pilot asked Jesus, “And what is truth?”….Jesus did not respond, simply because he knew Pilot’s heart. Pilot did not want an answer…he wanted an argument.

March 19, 2009 at 3:18 am
(48) Taylor B says:

I’m interested to know this Austin: do you think its possible that you could be wrong?

You’re obviously an intelligent man who seems to have done his homework but if you so strongly believe that we Christians are too stuck in our ways to admit that we are not infallible, is it not also possible that you are mistaken?

The truth is that none of us, not you or any other athiest nor me or any other Christian, “know” (in the scientific and provable sense) the truth. You, in this earthly life or state or whatever you want to call it, will never KNOW the background of creation and I will never KNOW whether or not my God exists. But as I was reading through some of your responses, you said something to the effect of “athiests do not believe anything” (and sorry for the loose quote).

So I pose another question: if neither side will ever legitimately KNOW the truth (again, i use the word “know” in the sense of irrefutable evidence), would life not be more fulfilling and joy-filled if you felt you truly believed in SOMETHING?

I’m not trying to pick a fight, I don’t necessarily wish to “convert” you by stomping on your beliefs, and I concede that I’m probably not as researched as you so don’t bother attacking me. I would just like to try to understand the perspective of the other side…

One thing I have done is read my Bible. Although I don’t claim to understand all of it, one thing I did pick up from the example that Jesus set is that there is truly no use in arguing as Danny said. But even Jesus asked questions. Even Jesus put forth legitimate, logical questions to the religious leaders of his time. I am simply trying to follow that example and throw some fairly logical questions at you.

I would really like to dialogue with you and get your responses on these questions so as long as BOTH of us (feel free to call me out) steer clear of slander and useless argument, I think we could both benefit from a logical viewpoint from the other side.

March 19, 2009 at 5:33 am
(49) Austin Cline says:

I’m interested to know this Austin: do you think its possible that you could be wrong?

I could be wrong about any number of things. I could be wrong about the earth being round and orbiting the sun, but I doubt it.

Do you have any questions that relate directly to the article above? If not, they would be better posted in the forum; here they are off-topic.

The truth is that none of us, not you or any other athiest nor me or any other Christian, “know” (in the scientific and provable sense) the truth.

Do you know that for sure?

But as I was reading through some of your responses, you said something to the effect of “athiests do not believe anything” (and sorry for the loose quote).

It’s not a “loose quote,” it’s a false quote. I never said any such thing.

So I pose another question: if neither side will ever legitimately KNOW the truth (again, i use the word “know” in the sense of irrefutable evidence), would life not be more fulfilling and joy-filled if you felt you truly believed in SOMETHING?

It sounds like you’re arguing that it doesn’t matter what one believes, even if one believes a lie, just so long as one believes SOMETHING. Is that true?

One thing I have done is read my Bible.

So have I. Several times. Several translations. Multiple languages.

Have you read the Qur’an? The Upanishads? Have you read the scriptures of any other religion?

March 26, 2009 at 3:03 am
(50) Taylor B says:

In your response number 21 you specifically said “Atheism does not “believe in” anything, much less “the big bang.” And you do claim atheism correct? Therefore, you were basically saying you don’t “believe in anything”. Maybe you misstated what you were trying to say or maybe I’m misinterpreting it, but that particular line of conversation is attention to detail that is not important to either one of us as it doesn’t help either one of us see the other side objectively.

I could be wrong about any number of things. I could be wrong about the earth being round and orbiting the sun, but I doubt it.

If you literally “doubt” that you are wrong, that means that you are not absolutely sure that you are right.

Do you know that for sure?

I suppose I don’t know anything “for sure”. I don’t know “for sure” how far the sun is from the earth but I look at the research that has already been done along with my own opinion and form an educated guess, exactly as you do. Likewise, I don’t know “for sure” that God exists, but my faith combined with my experience of a captivating beauty and order to things I see on earth and in space result in my belief in a superior being I know as the Trinity.

It sounds like you’re arguing that it doesn’t matter what one believes, even if one believes a lie, just so long as one believes SOMETHING. Is that true?

That’s not what I was intending to say. I was simply asking if life would not be more enjoyable if there was something “mystical” or “magical” about the world, if you will. Also, just because you cannot explain something does not automatically mean it is a lie.

So have I. Several times. Several translations. Multiple languages.

Have you read the Qur’an? The Upanishads? Have you read the scriptures of any other religion?

Noone is arguing that you’re intelligent. But it is not fair to discount the intelligence of others. To answer your question, though, I have not read those particular sets of scripture but I have read the Talmud along with the Mishnah and Gemarrah. Every time I have taken an academic approach outside of following Christ, I have found the results to be far too legalistic and restraining.

This is a random side note but with Christianity (the faith, not the religion), I find freedom as well as morality. I have not yet found those two things paired together in any other religion.

To save time, I have studied fairly extensively in Judaism, and have recently begun studies in Buddhism. Of the Muslim or Hindu scriptures, which would you recommend reading first?

March 26, 2009 at 6:48 am
(51) Austin Cline says:

And you do claim atheism correct?

Atheism is not a claim that can be correct or incorrect.

Therefore, you were basically saying you don’t “believe in anything”.

No. The fact that atheism does not “believe in anything” does not entail that atheists do not “believe in anything.”

Likewise, I don’t know “for sure” that God exists, but my faith combined with my experience of a captivating beauty and order to things I see on earth and in space result in my belief in a superior being I know as the Trinity.

If you are a Christian, you’re expected to know for sure that your god exists.

That’s not what I was intending to say. I was simply asking if life would not be more enjoyable if there was something “mystical” or “magical” about the world, if you will.

No, it wouldn’t, but that question makes no sense unless you are assuming the premise that this benefit makes a belief desirable regardless of whether the belief is true or not.

Noone is arguing that you’re intelligent. But it is not fair to discount the intelligence of others.

I didn’t.

To answer your question, though, I have not read those particular sets of scripture

Why not?

This is a random side note but with Christianity (the faith, not the religion), I find freedom as well as morality. I have not yet found those two things paired together in any other religion.

As you admit, though, you haven’t read the basic scriptures of two of the world’s biggest religions. I think it would be fair to guess you haven’t read the basic scriptures of many other religions as well.

So I am rather skeptical that you know enough about other religions to make a legitimate comparison.

April 1, 2009 at 4:46 pm
(52) Taylor B says:

Atheism is not a claim that can be correct or incorrect.

I left out a comma there. What I meant to ask was: you do claim atheism, correct?…as in, am I correct in stating that you claim atheism which I’m sure that I am.

No. The fact that atheism does not “believe in anything” does not entail that atheists do not “believe in anything.”

Point proven. The semantics I was using were clearly off base and I appreciate that clarification.

If you are a Christian, you’re expected to know for sure that your god exists.

I believe 100% that my God exists. But belief and proof are separate. I have absolute faith in my God and I believe I am allowed the privilege of discussing His providence. However, don’t mistake my “defense” of His providence and existence for necessary. I don’t believe I NEED to defend God or the Bible; I simply feel it is an opportunity for me to learn by testing my faith.

April 1, 2009 at 4:52 pm
(53) Taylor B says:

(I clicked “say it” too soon. Here is the rest of my response.)

No, it wouldn’t, but that question makes no sense unless you are assuming the premise that this benefit makes a belief desirable regardless of whether the belief is true or not.

We obviously won’t agree on “truth” so I was trying to see your opinion on quality of life and what it entails. You vaguely answered that with the first three words.

Why not?

I am young. There is still a lot out there for me to study.

As you admit, though, you haven’t read the basic scriptures of two of the world’s biggest religions. I think it would be fair to guess you haven’t read the basic scriptures of many other religions as well.

So I am rather skeptical that you know enough about other religions to make a legitimate comparison.

Which is why I am here. To try to learn some of the aspects of these religions through your knowledge and experience. Eventually, I will read them for myself but for now, it is easier to just take your word for it.

We aren’t connecting on a simple fact: my belief and my faith are not in danger here and neither are yours. I am not trying to change your mind and don’t expect you to try to change mine. I am only trying to see another viewpoint and strengthen my faith by testing it.

April 1, 2009 at 5:51 pm
(54) Austin Cline says:

What I meant to ask was: you do claim atheism, correct?…as in, am I correct in stating that you claim atheism which I’m sure that I am.

Sorry, but I can’t make any sense of this. What is it, “claim atheism”?

If you are a Christian, you’re expected to know for sure that your god exists.

I believe 100% that my God exists. But belief and proof are separate.

Yes, belief and proof are separate, but so are certainty and proof. A person can have certainty without proof and a person can be shown proof without becoming certain.

The subject wasn’t proof — whether or not you think you have proof. The subject was whether you are certain or “sure.” Christianity traditionally expects one to be certain and sure that God exists.

Eventually, I will read them for myself but for now, it is easier to just take your word for it.

Until you read them for yourself, you are — as I already said — in no position to make legitimate comparisons. What this means is that you can’t go around making implicit claims about whether things aren’t to be found in other religions.

That’s what you do when you say “I have not yet found those two things paired together in any other religion.” This implies that you’ve studied other major, relevant religions and found them wanting when the truth is you haven’t looked. If I say that I have not yet found sound moral principles in any philosopher outside of Plato, but haven’t actually read any philosophers but Plato, then I’m being deceptive.

It would be more accurate to say that you don’t know if certain things can be found in other religions — or perhaps even better things — because you haven’t invested the time or effort yet to find out.

I am only trying to see another viewpoint and strengthen my faith by testing it.

This makes it sound like you have preemptively closed your mind: you intend to “test” and “strengthen” your faith, but there is absolutely no chance of ever changing your mind — of ever concluding that you have been mistaken.

That isn’t an attitude which allows you to learn anything. If you start out by not only assuming that you are correct, but also that you will never change your mind, then real learning is closed off. All you’re doing is trying to find rationalizations for dismissing others as wrong, not trying to discover new facts or ideas.

June 10, 2009 at 6:44 pm
(55) Jorge of the Jungle says:

Excellent disarmament of yet another mindless, Christian drone. Each day I become even more amazed at not only at the arguments christians use, but the people using them. I must say I never really liked chuck norris, now I can justify that he really is lower than human, I was always quite partial to Bruce Lee, not only because he was a great thinker…and an atheist, but also because he kicks chuck norris’s @$$ in the film, “return of the Dragon” Maybe thats when old walker last the ability to think?

November 21, 2009 at 1:28 pm
(56) Larry Linn says:

“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”
—Ben Franklin, Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1758

May 27, 2010 at 3:44 pm
(57) Joseph says:

Ahem, here, I’m Christian, and a lot of Christians blindly follow the religion. They spit out a lot of baloney about nothing 90% of the time. But people need to realize that there are Christians in the world who actually have brains.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of people who choose not to believe in God and that is fine to. If they don’t want to believe in God that doesn’t mean they don’t deserve our respect. But that means that they should respect us and not try to spew their two cents worth and try and get us not to believe in our religion. Before you come in and quote me and twist what I said all around in a circle, know this. I believe in God, and that’s that.

October 1, 2010 at 12:16 pm
(58) Hello says:

Look at the cry baby atheists crying over Chuck Norris. He is free to believe what he wants you bigoted fools now go back to ranting in your basements. It is the atheists who are mindless brain dead fools. There is no evidence for evolution while there is evidence for The Bible. Scientists just proved that wind could and probably did part the red sea and The Bible says God sent wind to part the sea. Google it.

Goodbye.

October 1, 2010 at 3:58 pm
(59) Austin Cline says:

Look at the cry baby atheists crying over Chuck Norris.

Who’s crying?

He is free to believe what he wants you bigoted fools now go back to ranting in your basements.

So, atheists are “bigoted” for daring to object to bigoted remarks? How does that work, exactly?

It is the atheists who are mindless brain dead fools.

Prove it.

There is no evidence for evolution while there is evidence for The Bible.

Well, we all agree that the Bible exists so that’s hardly illuminating. Your denial of evolution, though, is as sensible as denying plate tectonics.

Scientists just proved that wind could and probably did part the red sea and The Bible says God sent wind to part the sea. Google it.

I’m aware of the “study.” If you had read it closer, you’d have noticed that it says nothing about “probably did.” You added that yourself.

December 29, 2010 at 12:11 pm
(60) Keith Pinster says:

I’ve always enjoyed Chuck’s movies, as “B” as they all are, but have never taken him seriously as a person. I put him in the same category as Tom Cruise. Love watching his movies, but I’ve always known they had delusional personalities. The funny thing about people taking him seriously, he’s not even a good actor. At least Tom’s movies are awesome. Chuck’s movies are mediocre at best. Too funny!

March 27, 2011 at 9:02 pm
(61) Tim Barry says:

I doubt my comments will ever be read due to the number of posts to this list.

I am a born-again Christian. I do not judge anyone whose beliefs differ from mine. Judgement is not my place. It is not up to me to change peoples minds. The responsibility for judgement and conviction is the Lord’s. I do not care if you reject God. You are a free agent who has a free will. Who am I to judge. From comments on this list, it seems that I, as a Christian, has been judged as a bigot. I guess if what I have written fits the definition of a bigot, then there is no way I can avoid the definition.

What do you think? Does it sound like I am a bigot? How about a vote? The results would be very interesting to me, at least.

Thank you all,
Tim

March 28, 2011 at 5:52 am
(62) Austin Cline says:

From comments on this list, it seems that I, as a Christian, has been judged as a bigot.

Can you cite a single comment that declares all Christians to be bigots?

What do you think? Does it sound like I am a bigot?

Only if you think others are inferior for not being Christian; otherwise, no.

October 24, 2011 at 8:18 pm
(63) LeAtheist says:

In any case, your god, like the one of any other religion, can fuck himself, and all your stupid fairytales on book, papyrus and rock plate doesn’t scare me at all, nor convince me. xD

@Chad

I’m so happy to live on a predominantly atheist country ! xD
It’s so funny to read/listen/looking at you “middle ages” biggot arguing how “you’re so true” ! XD Or even more looking you stupidly fighting against other religion’s preacher about “who is the real god ?” or “Which god is the stronger!!”
It’s like primary school’s kid fighting about “which the best super hero!”
Muahahaha xD

Oh, I spend to much time to you biggots! ^^
Chuck Norris is definitively an epic fail , lol xD

Bon baiser de France, sweety ^^

September 6, 2012 at 5:12 pm
(64) Honesty says:

You go Chuck, I back you 100% Jesus said, they have persecuted me and they will persecute you. Your reward is high. which means you don’t value your life more than another’s…..”Greater Love has no man than he who is willing to lay down his life for a brother…..God Bless Chuck Norris.

January 11, 2014 at 2:18 am
(65) rrpostal says:

Austin Cline- Thank you for responding succinctly and honestly to all of those comments, The rude, the strident, the condescending, the ignorant, the uneducated and the confused. I don’t think I’ve said this and meant it as much… I couldn’t have done it better myself. If we all could respond with as much patience and clarity, it would go a long way.

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