Church & State Fundamentals: Separationists and the Separation of Church and State

Why does a “Christian nation” need to separate church and state?
Anytime religion is mentioned within the confines of government today people cry, “Separation of Church and State”. The first amendment reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” The statement about a wall of separation between church and state was made in a letter in 1802, by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association of Connecticut. Jefferson made it perfectly clear in his letter to the Danbury Congregation that the separation was to be that government would not establish a national religion or dictate to us how to worship God. The “wall” was understood as one-directional; its purpose was to protect the church from the state. The world was not to corrupt the church, yet the church was free to teach the people Biblical values. People do not want freedom from religion, but freedom of religion.
The only real reason to separate the church from the state would be to instill a new morality and establish a new system of beliefs. Our founding fathers were God-fearing men who understood that for our country to stand it must have a rock solid foundation; they believed that God’s ways were much higher than Man’s ways and held firmly that the Bible was the absolute standard of truth. There will always be one dominant view, otherwise it will be in transition from one belief system to another. Therefore, to say Biblical principles should not be allowed in government and school is to either be ignorant of the historic intent of the founding fathers, or blatantly bigoted against Christianity.
Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation. If it were their intention to separate the state and church they would never have taken principles from the Bible and put them into our government. Congress has passed laws that it is illegal to murder and steal, which is the legislation of morality. These standards of morality are found in the Bible. Should we remove them from law because the church should be separated from the state? The fact is the government has never passed a law implementing a “separation of church and state.”
Patrick Henry said: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” George Washington stated: “It is impossible to rightly govern…without God and the Bible.” Who, after reading countless quotes and opinions of our Founding Fathers can deny their original intent of the first amendment? To do so, you would have to be a true idiot or a blatant liar trying to push your own political agenda rather than following the constitution as it is written. There is an assault going on — and the liberal social engineers have declared that Christians are the enemy. Among their cries of “diversity” and “tolerance” it has become fashionable to bash Christians, discriminate against them, and to deny the Christian roots of American democracy. These anti-Christian liberals want to achieve a new, humanistic America where we will be protected from obsolete Christian ideas and will “enjoy” freedom “from” religion – not freedom “of” religion. As it is, our so called Christian nation, is working long and hard at separating the Christian from the nation.
Say you need to buy a car, but you have no money. So, to buy a car you need to take a lone from the bank. Lets say that according to your loan contract you pay $150 per month. After you get it all figured out, and the contract signed, you go home with your new car and push your contract aside thinking you have more important things to spend your money on every month. Lets say after about a year, you find it necessary to go to the bank to refinance your loan. Your contract was faulty. Not in the sense that it had a mistake: no, its faultiness lay in the fact that you could no longer meet your obligation. We can also say that we paid for our rights (our right to have freedom of religion) yet over the years, we have become less adamant about protecting them and have put other things like pleasure, and entertainment and riches first. After a while, we notice that we don’t have as many freedoms as we did before. So, we start becoming ore involved in issues dealing with our rights… a little late though. Your contract was faulty, not because it has a mistake in it, but because we neglected our obligation or responsibility of keeping our rights unalienable.
As I talked to one of my friends this issue came up, when I asked him about it this is what he said:
“Over the years, people have debated the issue of whether Church and State should be mixed. The United States is founded on the belief that Church and State should be separate. Church and state should be separate because the church is far too conservative. This wall of separation between Church and State is not quite as effective as it perhaps should be. Public schools exist to educate, not to induce someone to convert to one’s faith, religion is private, and schools are public, so it is appropriate that the two should not mix. Separationists have long taken Jefferson’s “wall” metaphor as an accurate and historically significant summary of the intent of the First Amendment. Indeed, we take the metaphor so seriously that we are sometimes accused of worshipping Jefferson, as if the only reason we think the Constitution requires the separation of church and state is because Jefferson wrote his letter. But that is nonsense; the history of the Constitution and the First Amendment is well documented, and it suggests beyond doubt that the framers wanted to put as much distance between government and religion as possible. Sad isn’t it? People believe what they hear without ever taking time to question or research it. In America Church and State seem to be two words which are entirely inseparable from each other. The issue of religion is present in many topics including the public school system, presidential elections, right down to the National Anthem. The fact of the matter is, Church and State are very far from being separate in the United States. A reference to God made an appearance in Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, He said: “…that this nation under God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.”
We are a wounded Nation everyday human rights are violated. The Constitution delegates no power to government over religious affairs, and that the First Amendment explicitly prohibits the federal government from establishing or controlling religion. The effect of this arrangement is to leave Americans free to worship, believe, and support religion as they see fit.

It is true that the Declaration proclaims that “the laws of nature and the nature God.” It also postulates that all men are created equal, are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. Then it refers to the supreme judge of the world. Finally it expresses “a firm reliance the protection of divine providence. But there were terms – especially “nature god ” employed not by conventional but by enlightened Diests. The omission of any reference to Jesus Christ or to the specific God or the Bible is far more significant than the inclusion of Generic words that were consistent with non Christian deistic beliefs.
Thomas Jefferson, it’s primary drafter , believed that the Bible was written largely by “very inferior minds” and that most of it consisted of so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism and imposture that it could aptly be characterized as “Dung”. He thought even less of the old testament whose vengeful God he deplored and whose draconian laws he rejected. He rejected the supernatural and regarded the concept of the trinity as insane.
His God was most certainly not the intervening Judeo Christian God. It was Natures God who established the laws of nature at the time of creation and then left it alone. John Adams signed a treaty when he was President explicitly declared that the government if the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion. The treaty is a the web site below. Jefferson did not believe that there could be no virtue without religion. He did not care if anyone even closest to him believed or disbelieved. The Declaration of independence was designed to protect us from that kind of Christianized America advocated by those who are now trying to hijack the Declaration for their own sectarian purposes. Jefferson was a man of science. He viewed all clergy of all organized religion as corrupt, fraudulent, and dishonest. It would have been unthinkable for a declaration drafted by Jefferson, with the approval of Franklin and Adams , to have evoked Christianity.

Paine repeatedly compared the miracles of the Bible to the supernatural accounts of the Greek and Roman mythology. Paine was famous throughout the colonies for writing “common sense” and “The age of Reason” a widely read book that savaged the Bible as a pious fraud.

It must be recalled that a majority of the five men were either Diests or Unitarian. Franklin referred to himself as “a thorough Diest and rejected his Christian upbringing.

John Adams too, questioned tradition religious views throughout his life.

The religious views of Sherman and Livingston are less well known, though its seems that the former was a traditional Christian, while the latter was closer to Jefferson and had religious views that have been characterized as “daring to the point of impiety.

John T. Noonan Jr. , a federal judge and deeply religious man, summarized the creed of many of the founders of the Declaration and the constitution when he reminded us that “Nations do not worship, people do”. Our Declaration of Independence was meant to be a secular scripture.

This is why they came to America, to be free to worship as they pleased. They never would have intended for America, land of the free, to become a theocracy.

See below for the web site that will take you to the treaty of tripoli composed and signed by John Adams. You won’t have to read very far to get the drift.

Bush is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country.

http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/alt.christnet/messages/806251.html

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