Amish Fight Child Labor Ban
That's what the Amish want, as Scotland on Sunday reports:
[T]he Amish, a conservative protestant sect dating from the 1600s, believe the ban threatens their culture, which has always stressed a sturdy self-sufficiency, and depended on teenage boys learning a trade in their formative years. "These are occupations that reinforce self-reliance within our group or community, as well as the work ethic," said William Burkholder, who owns an Amish lumber company in Centerville, Pennsylvania, testifying at a congressional hearing.
Burkholder said: "If we couldn’t put our boys to work and they didn’t do nothing until they were 18, they’d be absolutely worthless. We want them to be able to be obedient and learn a trade. If they don’t, they’ll be out getting into mischief. Next thing you know you’ll have a bunch of them getting into dope and drinking and partying. Our kids don’t do that." ... The issue is increasingly pressing as ever greater numbers of Amish are moving from the land to machine shops because of the difficulty in making a living from agriculture.
A couple of important points need to be made here. First, the Amish aren't asking so much for a religious exemption as a cultural exemption. Yes, religion and culture are deeply intertwined, but I don't see here an argument that working in mills is necessary for Amish children to practice their religion; rather, I see the argument that children working in mills is necessary to maintain an Amish culture which is distinct from the rest of American culture.
Now, maintaining a distinct culture isn't a bad thing - but I don't think that the desire to do so merits as much deference as the desire that a person has to follow the dictates of their conscience, for example through religious practices. Not all cultural practices are equal; some are, in fact, very much worth dispensing with. Children laboring in mills may be one of them. It is curious that one of the supporters of the Amish, Senator Rick Santorum, isn't someone I would usually associate with the efforts to defend multiculturalism.
Second, it's a fact that any number of Amish children are already into drinking, partying, and drugs. These problems have not bypassed the Amish community. It's not at all clear that children working in mills would either change things or that it would have prevented them entirely. Adults who work in mills aren't immune from drinking and drugs, are they? It's also worth keeping in mind that working in a mill is not the only means for learning a trade and becoming self-reliant. All of that can be achieved on the farms - but that doesn't earn as much money. So, what it really seems to come down to is not so much religion or even culture, but rather cold, hard cash.
Children working in mills will bring in money. Children working on farms won't, or at least won't bring in as much. That, of course, was one of the original reasons for putting children to work in factories to begin with - they could earn money while the mill owners could get away with paying less. Those aren't good reasons for doing it again.
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Cline, your agnosticism and atheism are showing your ignorance and religious hatred of all but your irreligious religion. Stop picking on the Amish. Look at how stupid is the argument that “no more, it was decided, would children be expected to work in dangerous factories for little pay and with little protection”. Talk about throwing out the baby with the bath water! Why was child labor banned instead of low wages and lack of protection? Why to force children into public schooling (not education) of course! And now look at the cultural mess that is. http://www.johntaylorgatto.com It’s obvious that American public schooling serves the political economic interests of the state as in Prussia on which they are modeled, and the agnostic, atheistic American state is in a state of a mess. Children need to work alongside adults to learn how to be responsible instead of perpetual spoiled brats. So why shouldn’t the Amish or anyone have the right to defend their children and their culture by which they pass on their values to younger generations against such political economic pollution and corruption? I thought America was about “freedom” not cultural hegemony.
That’s incoherent. If something is irreligious, it can’t be a religion. If you can explain where I show “hatred” of anything, please do so.
For the same reasons that child labor was banned across society in the first place.
In what way do you connect atheism or agnosticism to any problems in America?
Not every “culture” should be protected.
It’s difficult to provide for the “freedom” of people whose “culture” prevents them from getting an adequate education which would allow them to successfully leave their community if they wanted. Did you ever think of that?
“That’s incoherent. If something is irreligious, it can’t be a religion. If you can explain where I show “hatred” of anything, please do so.”
Don’t you know that atheists are oppressing Xians throughout the world?
The 0th commandment of all religions is “Thou shalt not question”. The corollary is “any questioning is an attack”. There is no debate or discussion, one is either blindly faithful or a threat.
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